The White Stuff...

[1.618]

i was making a generalisation, which is different to saying you answered questions when you hadn't. with hindsight i should have stated

it's mainly in the west we consume animal based diets.

[Billybunch]

so answer my questions then, which you have failed to do so far?

I'll have a go if I may.

you think it's ok to drink milk containing the following?

Don't mind. They occur in minute quantities and I've yet to suffer any ill effect to my knowledge.

you will eventually, it all builds up in the body over time

DEAD UDDERPUS AND DEAD BACTERIA

This applies equally to human milk, but I haven't seen you campaigning against breast-feeding.

erm no it doesn't apply to humans, cows are on milking machines for hours everyday which is why they get mastitis, causing swelling and sores and pus leaking into the milk

Reply: Erm, yes it does apply to humans. A breast infection that leads to an abscess (a localized pocket or collection of pus) is a more serious type of infection. If mastitis is left untreated, an abscess can develop in the breast tissue. This type of infection may require surgical drainage.
http://www.babycenter.com/404_how-can-i ... is_1929.bc

[Billybunch]

i was making a generalisation, which is different to saying you answered questions when you hadn't. with hindsight i should have stated

it's mainly in the west we consume animal based diets.

Stop squirming, you're looking foolish enough without trying to wriggle your way out of it.

Just because you buy organIc fruit and veg doesn't mean it's pesticide and chemical free.
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lhom/organictext.html

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/top-12 ... ables.html

ORGANIC FACTS AND MYTHS

Myth: There are no pesticides, insecticides, fertilisers or additives in organic food.

Fact: There is a list of approved products which organic farmers can use. Up to 20% of chicken feed and 10% of cow feed can be non-organic

Myth: Organic food is produced locally

Fact: The UK is Europe's biggest consumer of organic food - but only 5% is grown in the UK. Some of it is transported thousands of miles

Myth: It is healthier for you

Fact The British Nutrition Foundation says there is no scientific proof of any extra health benefits

[1.618]

i'm hardly squirming, i made a generalisation, it's totally different to your lie about answering questions when you hadn't

I'm well aware that organic produce can have chemicals all over it, if people were to be self sufficient however, they could ensure that they didn't use any chemicals in their food production, but the criminals in power have pretty much crammed us into shoeboxes without the land to be properly self sufficient, have a watch of 'back to eden'

http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=43962

Paul Gautschi has a method that is totally organic and natural and mimmicks what happens in nature

try and stay on topic though please, this thread is meant to be about the meat and dairy industry and the inhumane treatment of animals and your just picking at straws with some of your comments and starting to look like a tag team of shills with vanilla

[Billybunch]

Why not practice what you preach eh and try to keep on topic yourself, take a look at some of your past vegan promoting vids and attachments on this thread.

[Billybunch]

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DEAD UDDERPUS AND DEAD BACTERIA

vanilla wrote: This applies equally to human milk, but I haven't seen you campaigning against breast-feeding.

1.618 wrote: erm no it doesn't apply to humans, cows are on milking machines for hours everyday which is why they get mastitis, causing swelling and sores and pus leaking into the milk[/color]
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Reply: Erm, yes it does apply to humans. A breast infection that leads to an abscess (a localized pocket or collection of pus) is a more serious type of infection. If mastitis is left untreated, an abscess can develop in the breast tissue. This type of infection may require surgical drainage.
http://www.babycenter.com/404_how-can-i ... is_1929.bc[/quote]

1.618, Do you still think it doesn't apply to humans?

[1.618]

Why not practice what you preach eh and try to keep on topic yourself, take a look at some of your past vegan promoting vids and attachments on this thread.

they're all on topic, this thread started as a warning about the toxic crap in milk and how i was getting on as a vegan and to educate people as to what really happens in the meat and dairy industries and what the alternatives are.

[1.618]

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DEAD UDDERPUS AND DEAD BACTERIA

vanilla wrote: This applies equally to human milk, but I haven't seen you campaigning against breast-feeding.

1.618 wrote: erm no it doesn't apply to humans, cows are on milking machines for hours everyday which is why they get mastitis, causing swelling and sores and pus leaking into the milk[/color]

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Reply: Erm, yes it does apply to humans. A breast infection that leads to an abscess (a localized pocket or collection of pus) is a more serious type of infection. If mastitis is left untreated, an abscess can develop in the breast tissue. This type of infection may require surgical drainage.
http://www.babycenter.com/404_how-can-i ... is_1929.bc[/quote]

1.618, Do you still think it doesn't apply to humans?[/quote]

the amount of cows with this issue outnumbers the amount of humans with it, do you honestly believe consuming pus from another species is a good thing?

[Billybunch]

quote="1.618"]

DEAD UDDERPUS AND DEAD BACTERIA

vanilla wrote: This applies equally to human milk, but I haven't seen you campaigning against breast-feeding.

1.618 wrote: erm no it doesn't apply to humans, cows are on milking machines for hours everyday which is why they get mastitis, causing swelling and sores and pus leaking into the milk[/color]

Reply: Erm, yes it does apply to humans. A breast infection that leads to an abscess (a localized pocket or collection of pus) is a more serious type of infection. If mastitis is left untreated, an abscess can develop in the breast tissue. This type of infection may require surgical drainage.
http://www.babycenter.com/404_how-can-i ... is_1929.bc[/quote]

1.618, Do you still think it doesn't apply to humans?[/quote]

the amount of cows with this issue outnumbers the amount of humans with it, do you honestly believe consuming pus from another species is a good thing?[/quote]


You said it doesn't apply to humans! WHY? Do you just make these statements up on the spot, or are you just blatantly trying to deceive people with more misinformation?

[vanilla]

Don't mind. They occur in minute quantities and I've yet to suffer any ill effect to my knowledge.
you will eventually, it all builds up in the body over time

I have a feeling you just made that up. Do you have any evidence to support it?

This applies equally to human milk, but I haven't seen you campaigning against breast-feeding.
erm no it doesn't apply to humans, cows are on milking machines for hours everyday which is why they get mastitis, causing swelling and sores and pus leaking into the milk

"Mastitis (inflammation or infection of the breast) is common in breast-feeding women. It is treated with a course of antibiotics. It is best to try to continue to breast-feed if you have mastitis. Breast-feeding when you have mastitis will not harm your baby." - http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Mastiti ... ion%29.htm

Yes, and I imagine you do too. Plants such as almond, apple and spinach all naturally produce cyanide, and there are many others which produce poisonous compounds.
naturally occuring toxins i'll give you. but there's no need for there to be all the other manmade chemicals in the food chain, pesticides, herbicides, vetinary pharmacuticals etc etc

Which applies equally to non-meat products.

Not bothered, they're food. Is it cruel for a lion to eat a buffalo alive?
that's nature for you, you go and catch a squirrel with your bare hands and tear it shreds and eat all of it,innards included ,raw, humans weren't designed to be hunting animals so comparing it to a lion and buffalo is pointless and irrelevant

But humans do hunt animals. This basically sounds like you're argument is:- because you would find eating animals distasteful, other people shouldn't do it. That's not a good reason on its own.

The simple fact is that you wouldn't even consider saying that a lion should be prevented from causing suffering to a buffalo, but you're happy to say that about people.

and you should be bothered about all the inhumane treatment of animals, the animals are unhappy meaning they have certain chemicals in their bloodstream which you'll be eating, just the same as a human living in fear or with depression

I suppose an animal running for its life with a spear in its ribs is perfectly cheerful? It's really fucking difficult to get at the meat just by asking them nicely.

It isn't just meat and dairy farmers that receive subsidies. Organic farming is not simply more expensive because of farming subsidies, but because of additional costs incurred in the farming methods, along with supply and demand pressures.
rubbish! go and watch back to eden, it's quite simple to grow good quality high nutrient organic food at very low cost

Low cost when you're one guy feeding your family.
http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/13887

the meat and dairy are subsidised for a very good reason, agenda 21 and codex alimentarius, they want you eating crap food with no nutritional value so you don't keep fit and healthy, meaning you need the doctors and all their pharmacutical medicines to prop you up, which will only make you iller over time, you forget that the drug companies dictate policy for the govt, it's about making money, they don't car about your health

That's not a very good plan from the government's point of view, is it? Particularly in the UK where disability/unemployment benefits are paid to those who can't work, and healthcare is publicly funded. When the public become too ill to work, they stop paying the taxes which fund the healthcare.

Have you even read agenda 21?