ODD.....“oppositional defiant disorder”

[Tony]

Interesting post Bodge. Perhaps more confirmation of the intended 'psychocorrectional practices' to be deployed by the agents of the NWO in the spirit of DSM-III and now DSM-IV-TR. Reading between the lines, here's a quote from Dr Rudolph Steiner warning us about the policing of all thought via this Orwellian 'department' through America:

''We might say that the present time is doing very well compared with that which will come in the future when the Western development blossoms more and more. Very shortly, when one will have written the year 2000, there will come from America not a direct prohibition, but a kind of prohibition against all thinking, a sort of law which will have the name of suppressing all individual thinking. The other hand there is the beginning achieved in this direction of suppressing all individual thinking into pure materialistic thinking where one does not need to work upon the soul on the basis of external experiments, in a the human being is handled as if he were a machine''.

(Things in Past and Present in the Spirit of Man (Lecture IV) April 4, 1916)

Compare what Ronnie Lang has stated in my post on the 'Dark Side of Materialistic Medicine'.

Further Steiner has also stated elsewhere that:

''Now, in the Future you will not get a law passed which says you must not think. No. What will happen is that things will be done the effect of which will be to exclude all individual thinking. This is the other pole to which we are proceeding. This is connected with the development of the West''.

Because 'free thinking' is regarded as problematic and may cause chaos for the illuminists when they do not want it - chaos in the sense of disrupting their global agenda.The solution is to eliminate all free thinking by the imposition of a New Order by means of the appropriate forms of mind control and other repressive measures. Hence, Ordo Ab Chao.

wow....what a practical vision he had...i should look into/research Dr Rudolph Steiner...always meant to....just never got round to it...good post

Perhaps it is worth noting here Steiner's position regarding the medical-scientific concept of the human body (as a 'machine' functioning in a Newtonian universe) and how it excludes all reference to soul and spirit:

''We have come to live in our bodies according to the medical-scientific concept of the body. The medical view of the body is based on the anatomy of a corpse and on the physiology of a dismembered human body. Consequently, we must imagine soul and spirit back into our own living being. In this way, we can regain a soul-sense of embodiment.....
Soul and spirit are not some kind of invisible entities lurking around as ghosts in a machine; the body is ensouled and inspirited through and through. But, to properly understand such a statement, we must keep in mind the body as more invisible than visible''.

Steiner explains that ''soul is not some kind of container but rather an inner, dynamic, mobile, developing, regressing, conflictual, flowing, relationship. A relationship with what? The soul is "in relation" with desire, with the body, with the spirit — none of which, incidentally, can themselves be considered to utilize the language of content without degrading what they are about''.

Steiner implies that we must go beyond words, since words are more than thought containers, mere content. Words are the exterior sensory data of a living process that we undergo as we speak and that is why the polarity between the content and process of words must be reckoned with as it serves to awaken the thought-quality that the soul is not some kind of container.
If you control words, you also control that which is wordless and flows between souls.

Dr Steiner has been misunderstood by materialistic medicine so much so he has been accused of 'quackery'. He upset the apple cart when he argued that a human being is really a threefold being consisting of spirit, soul and physical body, and whose divine task is to integrate all three. And that medical scientists know precious little about the real living human being compared with what they know about the anatomy of the dead body which is no longer the human being.

[bodge]

This thread is not really anything to do with esoterics, its more about the disgraceful way that so called "experts" denigrate and accuse people of having a mental illness when no such thing exists and where a condition DOES exist its more to do with environmental poisoning or prescribed drugs side effects than it does any "illness" They like to label everything and the DSM is a book of "labels" like you just cant have a T-shirt it has to be a "Rayban or a Shriver" it HAS TO HAVE a label. Compartmentalisation that many people seem to demand, a place for everything and everything in a place or OCD

There are undoubtedly some mental illnesses though many of them are a result of indoctrination, conditioning and upbringing, or a result of something that happened long ago and forgotten that gets triggered resulting in an act of bad judgement, however you cant have a case of momentary madness or plain poor judgement they have to LABEL it, it makes prosecution much easier if it has a label.

[Tony]

I respect your position Bodge in saying the thread is really nothing to do with esoterics. However, one must be mindful of those who initially inspired DSM-111 and DSM-IV-TR that have everything to do with esoterics because they are either witting or unwitting agents of the Illuminati Consortium. The Illuminati for the most part are 'illuminists' and subscribe to an esoteric ideology and agenda.Their servants (including psychiatrists of a political bent) follow orders and the whole show and stage direction operates on a compartmentalised need to know basis. In a nutshell, the psychiatrist may not have a clue who he or she really works for, or who inspired the DSM's or their true intended purpose. DSM is much more than a 'book of labels' it is a clever expression of an agenda designed to control what people think and do, and so long as they watch their p's and q's and continue to 'think' and live in the ideological world provided for them and happily converse about what happened in the latest TV soaps, or the latest game of football, it will suit the Iluminists fine, since the sheeple will not be violating the DSM criteria and everybody will be happy, happy, happy.

[bodge]

Allow me the chance to "illuminate you" In victorian times the "Psychiatrist" was a revered position, he was after all a "doctor" of the mind and wore the obligatory white coat. Psychologists however were not and did not. Psychologists desperately wanted to wear the white coat of a doctor and wanted the same medical position. Psychiatry is the medical treatment of the psyche and Psychology is the science of the psyche. Psychologists tried in vain to attain the level of reverance afforded to psychiatrists (they still really havent) and out of this "science of the psyche" was born the DSM sometime in the 1950s (early) its full of claptrap, quack science though some of it is worth a read.

[Tony]

Quite right Bodge, but the problem is the current 'white coats' are under obligation to take most of the 'quack science' and 'claptrap' as you call it seriously, and so do the subservient psychologists, much to the detriment of those poor souls who happen to end up in their clutches for 'treatment' or should I say psycho-correction.

However, DSM criteria goes beyond mere mental illness/disorder as Ronnie Lang has argued:

''Translated into economic and political terms, mental disorder means undesired mental states and behaviour''.

Undesired mental states and behaviour because they are really an anathema to those who wish to establish the NWO agenda with least hindrance or opposition.

To quote Dr Lang once again referring to DSM-III in particular:

The overall drift is what contemporary modern psychiatry, epitomised by this DSM-III manual translated into eighteen languages, is imposing all over the world – a mandate to strip anyone of their civil liberties, of habeas corpus; and to apply involuntary incarceration, chemicalisation of a person, electric shocks, and non-injurious torture; to homogenise people who are out of line. Presented as a medical operation, it is an undercover operation.

[bodge]

The true lunatics are some of those who have done anything to get themselves into the DSM via a "conscripted" illness. I truly, trully do not believe that some of these "experts" are really expert in anything at all, in fact I truly believe some of these people are more dangerous than some of the medications.