OTIS flu 1918 50million people died in a few months???

[SaveOurSovereignty]

more on this convo.. i think he's either deluded or just not that clever... thinkin of just forgettin everythin he has said!;

me; one question..
why have you contradicted yourself? you have said that non natural interference is not needed yet you say n.w.o and pr.shield exist? surely there opposites

him; nwo is nothing sinister all or bad, how could you think it was, there is always a new world order everytime theres change, its not a set group its a state of occurances pr shield do you know what that stands for???

me; pr. shield, its geo-engineering, non natural intervention lol cant find the anagram for it. im asking you coz i dont know it all?! ha
and for the new world order not being a group, why O.T.I.S?

him; illuminati means illuminated ones once again not a group just anyone who is very learned

me; devil worshippers who want death for all christians.. sounds like a lovely group

him; hahahahaaaa amazing what people believe

me; then clear it up you seem to claim the illuminati are not a group, that the illuminati that was established and outed as a bunch of hellfire club rockers who want to keep secrets and stay hidden has no relation to your saying only the illuminati survive...... now that dont seem too clever

him; s=succeed

me; so yours is a motto then not a belief? you do realise there is an illuminati? and its definately a secret society....

him; yeahhh but they are of little importance

me; freemasons, rosecrucians, etc... little importance their at the head of every bloody big business! they have links with the pope and all banks and goverments????? how are they not important and why mislead me?

him; freemasons yeah and what, a club for the wealthy run by the wealthy that is the biggest contributor to charities in the world..... what cunts

me; who worship the devil cause recessions and want christians dead and to hide ancient knowledge from the masses... deny that.. have you read protocols of the learned wise men of sion/zion? silent weapons for silent wars? bohemian grove? the list goes on of books and events that revolve around what i'v said..
the club of rome "report 2000" is written by brzinzski an it says clearly it wants to kill with famine and man made disease and to make shaggin kids legal... brzinzski is a mason!

him; have you read da vinci code, templar legacy and the many more that use lies as facts, only believe what you see with yourown eyes as someone elses reality is your fiction
i could write about my holiday to the moon dont mean ive been its a good story and COULD be true but ISNT

me; i see chem trails outside my house where im goin to have a kid livin in an i see dirty bankers livin off the masses for printing fake money, i see oligarchy in every western government, i see alot! i see that were bein fooled into thinking were free wen we sign our kids away to companies wen there born!

him; chem trails lol, theyre to cancel out the toxins in the air you fool
we have them here
like i said no evil comes from the sky

me; haha its funny what people believe!! so you think barium ( known carcenegenic = toxic ) alluminium ( known carcenegenic = toxic ) are safe?? really?
its to cancel out uv rays and carbon dioxide.. not just toxins in general
look we should either stop talkin on this or start makin sense coz im wastin time getting hints and riddles about some things i can clearly get more info on away from facebook, you talk of potential fake alien attacks in 2012 and tell me to keep calm, your tellin me freemasons and illuminati etc, are nothing to worry about yet you use their motto's, you tell me chem trails are "ok" and you dont seem to know what they are.... you say the n.w.o is a change ( which i agree with) for the better ( which im unsure of) and other stuff that makes no sense as a whole... can you tell me where to look or give me something concrete please...

him; soz wos in showa
theres nothing like that in it
haha u get your facts from conspiracy THEORISTS i get mine fron scientific PROFESSIONALS
no potential attacks in 2012

me; you said that not me? i said conspiracy theorists were sayin it and you said "half truth"??? and mine are from scientists! look up "deep shield" and watch "what the hell are they spraying" go onto all the sites were scientists are kickin up murder coz of chem trails, read bill coopers book "behold a pale horse" he backs it all up with facts! t was you that stated tellin me about how ppl died in 1918!! wtf like? you said O.T.I.S not me... your a conspiracy theorist if anyone is

him; his facts not the facts like i said about my holiday on the moon

me; "read everything, listen to everyone, but dont believe unless you can back it up with your own research" bill cooper... i looked up everthing he and others have said, predicted, believed and iv seen both sides of the story!... iv e-mailed scientists, iv looked at govt. sites and iv backed it all up on what iv seen in the skies and what work I'V done... do you think i would have spent months lookin up stuff takin only other peoples word?

him; 1,, i work with the people who dust nedesachsen with this stuff and have done for over 20 years without respirators on NBC eqpt and are still alive, 2,, aliens, they do exist there is contact but they are of such mass intelect they see no need for violence 3,, the kull, it dosent start on the 15th its been happenning for years and is in the shape of controlled disastors in places that have an uncontrollable population growth i.e. the 3rd world, this links into 1918 and christians by the fact that families had over 10 children and where growing at a rate that would only end up in catastrophe, look now there isnt going to be enough money in the world to pay pensions in 20 years when the 70s boom retire
1918 influenza was caused by vaccinations that injected tiny ammounts of a lot of diseases into people the weak & disease ridden died, all over the world, the over producing christians of europe & the americas, muslims , jews, hindu & sikhs in china, india & south eastern asia. only africa was lwft unharmed as they had not started to populate cities and cause these problems
look at why and how and use logic mate,

me; he's in a plane, of course he wont be affected?! i said it was vaccinations and it was depopulation (agenda 21) i didnt know and still dont believe the alien question as its ironic how the army get there b4 anyone can see wen a crash happens which can only its millitary not alien! how can there be no money when they print it trillions at a time? if they introduced a backed currency it would work! plus i said about educating the masses would have been priority if it was so important... i said all this at the beggining! youve been leadin me along for stuff i already knew... thanks!

[ljtherock]

more on this convo.. i think he's either deluded or just not that clever... thinkin of just forgettin everythin he has said!;

me; one question..
why have you contradicted yourself? you have said that non natural interference is not needed yet you say n.w.o and pr.shield exist? surely there opposites From the rest of the text it appears he still contradicts.

him; nwo is nothing sinister all or bad, how could you think it was, there is always a new world order everytime theres change, its not a set group its a state of occurances pr shield do you know what that stands for??? You should have asked him what PR Shield stood for. (possibly population reduction???)

me; pr. shield, its geo-engineering, non natural intervention lol cant find the anagram for it. im asking you coz i dont know it all?! ha
and for the new world order not being a group, why O.T.I.S?

him; illuminati means illuminated ones once again not a group just anyone who is very learned

me; devil worshippers who want death for all christians.. sounds like a lovely group

him; hahahahaaaa amazing what people believe

me; then clear it up you seem to claim the illuminati are not a group, that the illuminati that was established and outed as a bunch of hellfire club rockers who want to keep secrets and stay hidden has no relation to your saying only the illuminati survive...... now that dont seem too clever

him; s=succeed Is this in relation to OTIS???

me; so yours is a motto then not a belief? you do realise there is an illuminati? and its definately a secret society....

him; yeahhh but they are of little importance

me; freemasons, rosecrucians, etc... little importance their at the head of every bloody big business! they have links with the pope and all banks and goverments????? how are they not important and why mislead me?

him; freemasons yeah and what, a club for the wealthy run by the wealthy that is the biggest contributor to charities in the world..... what cunts

me; who worship the devil cause recessions and want christians dead and to hide ancient knowledge from the masses... deny that.. have you read protocols of the learned wise men of sion/zion? silent weapons for silent wars? bohemian grove? the list goes on of books and events that revolve around what i'v said..
the club of rome "report 2000" is written by brzinzski an it says clearly it wants to kill with famine and man made disease and to make shaggin kids legal... brzinzski is a mason!

him; have you read da vinci code, templar legacy and the many more that use lies as facts, only believe what you see with yourown eyes as someone elses reality is your fiction
i could write about my holiday to the moon dont mean ive been its a good story and COULD be true but ISNT

me; i see chem trails outside my house where im goin to have a kid livin in an i see dirty bankers livin off the masses for printing fake money, i see oligarchy in every western government, i see alot! i see that were bein fooled into thinking were free wen we sign our kids away to companies wen there born!

him; chem trails lol, theyre to cancel out the toxins in the air you fool
we have them here What toxins and who or what placed them there?
like i said no evil comes from the sky

me; haha its funny what people believe!! so you think barium ( known carcenegenic = toxic ) alluminium ( known carcenegenic = toxic ) are safe?? really?
its to cancel out uv rays and carbon dioxide.. not just toxins in general
look we should either stop talkin on this or start makin sense coz im wastin time getting hints and riddles about some things i can clearly get more info on away from facebook, you talk of potential fake alien attacks in 2012 and tell me to keep calm, your tellin me freemasons and illuminati etc, are nothing to worry about yet you use their motto's, you tell me chem trails are "ok" and you dont seem to know what they are.... you say the n.w.o is a change ( which i agree with) for the better ( which im unsure of) and other stuff that makes no sense as a whole... can you tell me where to look or give me something concrete please...

him; soz wos in showa
theres nothing like that in it
haha u get your facts from conspiracy THEORISTS i get mine fron scientific PROFESSIONALS
no potential attacks in 2012

me; you said that not me? i said conspiracy theorists were sayin it and you said "half truth"??? and mine are from scientists! look up "deep shield" and watch "what the hell are they spraying" go onto all the sites were scientists are kickin up murder coz of chem trails, read bill coopers book "behold a pale horse" he backs it all up with facts! t was you that stated tellin me about how ppl died in 1918!! wtf like? you said O.T.I.S not me... your a conspiracy theorist if anyone is

him; his facts not the facts like i said about my holiday on the moon

me; "read everything, listen to everyone, but dont believe unless you can back it up with your own research" bill cooper... i looked up everthing he and others have said, predicted, believed and iv seen both sides of the story!... iv e-mailed scientists, iv looked at govt. sites and iv backed it all up on what iv seen in the skies and what work I'V done... do you think i would have spent months lookin up stuff takin only other peoples word?

him; 1,, i work with the people who dust nedesachsen with this stuff and have done for over 20 years without respirators on NBC eqpt and are still alive, What is nedesachsen? What "stuff"? 2,, aliens, they do exist there is contact but they are of such mass intelect they see no need for violence 3,, the kull, it dosent start on the 15th its been happenning for years and is in the shape of controlled disastors in places that have an uncontrollable population growth i.e. the 3rd world, this links into 1918 and christians by the fact that families had over 10 children and where growing at a rate that would only end up in catastrophe, look now there isnt going to be enough money in the world to pay pensions in 20 years when the 70s boom retire
1918 influenza was caused by vaccinations that injected tiny ammounts of a lot of diseases into people the weak & disease ridden died, all over the world, the over producing christians of europe & the americas, muslims , jews, hindu & sikhs in china, india & south eastern asia. only africa was lwft unharmedAfrica was not left unharmed, it is claimed 1.5 million plus died. as they had not started to populate cities and cause these problems
look at why and how and use logic mate,

me; he's in a plane, of course he wont be affected?! i said it was vaccinations and it was depopulation (agenda 21) i didnt know and still dont believe the alien question as its ironic how the army get there b4 anyone can see wen a crash happens which can only its millitary not alien! how can there be no money when they print it trillions at a time? if they introduced a backed currency it would work! plus i said about educating the masses would have been priority if it was so important... i said all this at the beggining! youve been leadin me along for stuff i already knew... thanks!

I believe it would be better to go on communicated with this source, maybe we can glean the truth out of what he states...

[SaveOurSovereignty]

From the rest of the text it appears he still contradicts.
You should have asked him what PR Shield stood for. (possibly population reduction???)
Is this in relation to OTIS???
What toxins and who or what placed them there?
What is nedesachsen? What "stuff"?
Africa was not left unharmed, it is claimed 1.5 million plus died.

1. he does contradict himself a lot! i think this one has proved you can trust no-one these days..

2. its project shield ( there is an acronym but i cant find it, its basically geo-engineering i.e chem trails)

3. yes, O.T.I.S is only the illuminated suceed... according to him not me or any internet search

4. carbon dioxide and UV rays. They are the main concerns for the atmosphere and the o-zone see "deep shield"

5. nedesachsen is in germany and the stuff is the chem trails ( alluminium, barium, polymers i.e polythene and other variants of chemicals, all toxic )

6. think that proves how much credibility he has for his story

finally, sorry to the people who have been following this forum, its been a waste of your and my time but as the late bill cooper says.. "read everything, listen to everyone, but dont believe anything unless you can prove it with your own research" take that quote to my grave!

Craig

[ljtherock]

@Sov...

I agree, the source appears to be a shill... at this stage...

[jamiesuns]

Not all virus and illnesses can be solely taken into defense by the body's immune system. Some virus are just too strong that its fatality rate is high. The Healthcare industry when the Otis virus occured in 1918 is not that technologically advanced unlike with our modern days.

[ljtherock]

Not all virus and illnesses can be solely taken into defense by the body's immune system. Some virus are just too strong that its fatality rate is high. The Healthcare industry when the Otis virus occured in 1918 is not that technologically advanced unlike with our modern days.

I agree.

How many cures has man found...

Of course it appears to be the norm of late that people blame these diseases and deaths on the PTB. Maybe at times they are correct, at others they are not.

Unfortunately our instinct is for survival even against the inevitable. We are all born, we shall all die, it is inevitable.
However, lots today do not want to accept the truth of the inevitable.

[Tony]

It is assumed but not scientifically proven that the 1918 Spanish Flu was caused by a pathogenic virus. In a previous post Iwrote:

According to various past reports Dr Jeffrey Taubenberger, a molecular pathologist at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Rockville, Md., and his team toiled for 10 years to piece together the alleged deadly Spanish Flu virus in a high-security laboratory at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

They obtained samples from small pieces of lung tissue, preserved in wax after the autopsies of two soldiers among the Spanish flu’s 675,000 American victims, and from the frozen body of an Inuit woman who died from the virus in November 1918 and was buried in the Alaska permafrost.

The claim is then made that although the alleged virus’ eight gene segments, or strands of RNA, were in fragments (selected from numerous ‘other’ fragments), Taubenberger’s team was able to piece them back together using gene sequencing and polymerase chain reaction (PCR) — a biochemical multiplication method of creating copies of specific fragments of DNA.

The glaring problem here is that the ‘Spanish Flu virus’ has NEVER been physically isolated, photographed and biochemically characterized in the first place scientifically by ANYONE to date. Taubenberger et al had to rely on a purely speculative conceptual ‘model’ and the magical PCR technique that produces something out of nothing – short bits of gene substance that were NEVER demonstrated to exist in the corpses in question!

How is it possible to know what to look for and be able to identify and determine the Spanish Flu virus precisely from ‘virus-like particles’ such as cell debris and other organic contaminants if the model Taubenberger et al used was NEVER based on a real physically isolated and biochemically characterized virus?

Thus with the magical PCR method it’s not only possible to multiply arbitrarily so that one detects only small fragments of new nucleic acid sequences that did not previously exist in the tissue samples from the corpses. It also means that a positive PCR is not proof for the existence of a whole genome (‘viral’ or otherwise).

Dr Stefan Lanka has also commented on Taubenberger’s fiasco thus:
If viruses had been present, then these could have been isolated, and out of them their gene substance could have been isolated too; there would have been no necessity for anyone to produce laboriously, by means of PCR technique- with clearly a swindle intention – a patchwork quilt of a model of the genetic substance of the idea of an influenza virus.

Finally, and notwithstanding all this. PCR reproducibility and specificity have never been effectively determined using any isolated human pathogenic virus as a ‘gold standard’. Moreover, Kary Mullis, who received a Nobel Prize for inventing PCR, says that it is being misused in HIV research. It is a method for studying genetic code fragments and matching them to similar fragments, not for identifying viruses as the cause of AIDS or ANY OTHER ILLNESS [emphasis mine]. He says that humans are full of retroviruses, which have never been shown to kill anybody, and that the mystery of ‘HIV’ has been generated by the $2 billion a year being spent on it (FOTI, Roberts p. 191).

In the case of influenza the problem thus remains: what is it that is producing the flu-like symptoms that are invariably credited to the so-called human ‘pathogenic viruses’ if none of them have ever been proven to physically exist let alone to have been effectively isolated and biochemically characterized to this day? What we have been led to believe about human pathogenic viruses is Alice in Wonderland phantasy along with the standard textbook pictures and speculative computer models of their alleged genome sequences. The same applies to measles, mumps and rubella symptom complexes and the alleged viruses that are blamed for their cause.[/quote]

I must add that what microbiologists/virologists refer to as virus 'isolates' are NOT specific isolated (purified) particles of any of the alleged 'Flu' viruses. The 'isolates' consist of no more than a witches brew of cellular debris and 'virus-like' particles - particles that look like viruses but are not. The specific diameter of such viruses are never specified because they have never been effectively isolated by direct laboratory methods. Only indirect lab methods like PCR and antibody tests are used that are non-specific and cannot be used to demonstrate or prove that a particular virus is present in the victim(s) that is allegedly causing the disease in question. For more details see my other post:
Flu Shots Not Effective? Get One Anyway!