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[Thomas]

Geronimo:

Ah, Tommy i knew it was only a matter of time before the Lordy made an appearance

The subject was brought up by other people, do we or I have your permission to answer or ask.



p_devlin

Thomas, you say that it is morally wrong to advocate a vegan approach to nutrition, and further to that, it is dangerous and does not work.

Based on your logic it should be impossible for a "vegan" or many "vegans" to exist as it is not possible because the nutritional mechanism not only for flourishing but for survival is at fault!

So I would like to see if anyone knows of any groups of people who are vegan and have been vegan for more than 5 years who are flourishing ?

curezone is a good place to start with anecdotal evidence

The video you mention at the beginning of the thread.


A subjective interview at best with overtones of sustainable development.

We know that factory farming is not the way forward! - this is an educational issue, but im sure we will have another one of your "hole in the head speeches"

Yes it is morally wrong as pointed out, but is this really about compassion then for animals or what then Although misguided compassion.

1.618

And there's absolutely no agenda to keep us eating meat then?

Perhaps you have heard of change and change in agendas. And more of a push in the mantra about too many people, especially if they eat meat.


1.618

Everyone i know who has given up meat and dairy feels better for making the change and eating healthier food

Alcoholics we say the same to justify any old lies. Or people will keep taking pharmacy and inoculations, even though it is provably and obviously full of junk.

Geronimo
Have you not yet worked out how so many people can do so even when its provably shown to them. Here's a clue.

Geronimo:

Ah, Tommy i knew it was only a matter of time before the Lordy made an appearance

[Geronimo]

B12?
so we need to eat animals because they are the only source of b12 right? and where do all these herbivore animals get their b12 from if they don't eat meat?

the human body produces its own b12 which is where the defficiency comes from, because it's a sign of a wider problem... not a bad diet.. and you can get b12 from marmite if you're really that bothered about it..like the rest of the sheep who believe the goverments lies about a so called healthy diet based on research paid for by the meat and dairy industries.. its a misnomer..it really is

Well for a start we haven't got the same digestion system as all these herbivores that you are talking about. I don't chew my cud and I certainly don't want my guts turning into a fermentation vat again either. I think you might need to do a bit more research and get acquainted to the impaired absorption of vitamin B12 due to intrinsic factor deficiency.

Yes the human body does produce it's own B12 "UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS" but once those little nasties...eg, candida take over, then all your beneficial bacteria goes bye byes. I could go on and on about probiotics etc and how they didn't help. B12 deficiency is just one of deficiencies of being a long term vegan, the first 5 years wasn't much of a problem with me, it's what happenned after that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7138169

Whats the best way to rid the body of too much candida, iv heard bicarbonate does the trick.

[Geronimo]

Geronimo:

Ah, Tommy i knew it was only a matter of time before the Lordy made an appearance

The subject was brought up by other people, do we or I have your permission to answer or ask.

Perhaps you better ask the man with the beard and harp!






p_devlin

Thomas, you say that it is morally wrong to advocate a vegan approach to nutrition, and further to that, it is dangerous and does not work.

Based on your logic it should be impossible for a "vegan" or many "vegans" to exist as it is not possible because the nutritional mechanism not only for flourishing but for survival is at fault!

So I would like to see if anyone knows of any groups of people who are vegan and have been vegan for more than 5 years who are flourishing ?

curezone is a good place to start with anecdotal evidence

The video you mention at the beginning of the thread.


A subjective interview at best with overtones of sustainable development.

We know that factory farming is not the way forward! - this is an educational issue, but im sure we will have another one of your "hole in the head speeches"

Yes it is morally wrong as pointed out, but is this really about compassion then for animals or what then Although misguided compassion.

1.618

And there's absolutely no agenda to keep us eating meat then?

Perhaps you have heard of change and change in agendas. And more of a push in the mantra about too many people, especially if they eat meat.


1.618

Everyone i know who has given up meat and dairy feels better for making the change and eating healthier food

Alcoholics we say the same to justify any old lies. Or people will keep taking pharmacy and inoculations, even though it is provably and obviously full of junk.

Geronimo
Have you not yet worked out how so many people can do so even when its provably shown to them. Here's a clue.

Geronimo: Can you explain what you mean by the comment above?

Ah, Tommy i knew it was only a matter of time before the Lordy made an appearance

[Billybunch]

B12?
so we need to eat animals because they are the only source of b12 right? and where do all these herbivore animals get their b12 from if they don't eat meat?

the human body produces its own b12 which is where the defficiency comes from, because it's a sign of a wider problem... not a bad diet.. and you can get b12 from marmite if you're really that bothered about it..like the rest of the sheep who believe the goverments lies about a so called healthy diet based on research paid for by the meat and dairy industries.. its a misnomer..it really is

Well for a start we haven't got the same digestion system as all these herbivores that you are talking about. I don't chew my cud and I certainly don't want my guts turning into a fermentation vat again either. I think you might need to do a bit more research and get acquainted to the impaired absorption of vitamin B12 due to intrinsic factor deficiency.

Yes the human body does produce it's own B12 "UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS" but once those little nasties...eg, candida take over, then all your beneficial bacteria goes bye byes. I could go on and on about probiotics etc and how they didn't help. B12 deficiency is just one of deficiencies of being a long term vegan, the first 5 years wasn't much of a problem with me, it's what happenned after that.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7138169

Whats the best way to rid the body of too much candida, iv heard bicarbonate does the trick.

Believe me, it doesn't, nor does an alkaline, vegan or vegetarian diet. Bicarbonate of soda, when ingested reduces the stomach acid which is needed to digest protein. The first step is to rid the body of too much candida is to give up carbs/sugar, all sugar, including fruit, lactose, sweetners etc......and then you need to start killing it off.

[Geronimo]

Which leads to the next question, how do you kill it off.

[Thomas]

Geronimo
Have you not yet worked out how so many people can do so even when its provably shown to them. Here's a clue.

Geronimo: Can you explain what you mean by the comment above?

How about this, how can people be so daft as to believe they can feed their body the same as "where do all these herbivore animals get their b12 from if they don't eat meat?"

[Geronimo]

Geronimo
Have you not yet worked out how so many people can do so even when its provably shown to them. Here's a clue.

Geronimo: Can you explain what you mean by the comment above?

How about this, how can people be so daft as to believe they can feed their body the same as "where do all these herbivore animals get their b12 from if they don't eat meat?"

A question answered with a question.

[Thomas]

Believe me, it doesn't, nor does an alkaline, vegan or vegetarian diet. Bicarbonate of soda, when ingested reduces the stomach acid which is needed to digest protein. The first step is to rid the body of too much candida is to give up carbs/sugar, all sugar, including fruit, lactose, sweetners etc......and then you need to start killing it off.

Billy is that also to do with those sugars and the insulin problems too, please.

[Billybunch]

Believe me, it doesn't, nor does an alkaline, vegan or vegetarian diet. Bicarbonate of soda, when ingested reduces the stomach acid which is needed to digest protein. The first step is to rid the body of too much candida is to give up carbs/sugar, all sugar, including fruit, lactose, sweetners etc......and then you need to start killing it off.

Billy is that also to do with those sugars and the insulin problems too, please.

Yes Thomas, cutting carbs and upping the good fats, The protein intake takes care of glucose via the liver.

[Thomas]

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Thank you for your reply Billy, very much appreciated.