When someone makes a claim, be it legal, philosophical or scientific, the burden of proof is generally accepted to be with the claimant. i.e. it's a bad idea to accept something because you can't disprove it, because there could well be some evidence against it that you just can't find. The better way to go is not to accept it until you can prove it.letsbefree wrote:No, all the information on this that i have found freely available online i have not been able to disprove legally, it all seams to be legally accurate on this matter.
Anyway, can you point me towards any relevant information, like, actual concrete information, because as far as I was aware the way that people here used the terms lien and affidavit was, well, just wrong.
I think we need to clear something up because when you initially said 'commerce' I immediately assumed 'business', and they're quite different things. I'm not sure if that's what you meant or not. It's clear that money changes hands so that services can be provided, but the relationship between a government and the public is different than that between businesses.letsbefree wrote:I again disagree, they all have a commercial element, money is extracted from the people to fund all such things, making it commercial. Under their rules there is no option for the people to choose if they want to be part of or use any part of such things, they are forced to pay all taxes regardless.
Again, why would I need to explain it if it's a myth? You're not only the registered keeper, but if you think you have some evidence to support your case, I'm all ears.letsbefree wrote:Please explain why you are only the registered keeper, and why they are allowed to crush your car without it being unlawful on their behalf?
They're allowed to crush your car because that's the law. Just like you'll get fined if you piss in the street, or like how they can compulsory purchase your house even though you own it.
I wasn't imply that, I was just saying that could happen, and if it did you'd have to deal with it.letsbefree wrote:You were implying that you seamed to think that was acceptable behavior within the bounds of what we were discussing.
I haven't seen every possible system so I don't know.letsbefree wrote:No, I think my hope for humanity is probably much greater than currently seams to exist within the system that exists. I think outside of a system like this people would have a much greater respect for their fellow men and women. - although i very much doubt you would agree.
This is an important point, and in my opinion why a lot of people here make mistakes. The rationale behind the above statement being "every sensible person must think like I do", when that's not the case at all. Morality varies greatly from person to person, culture to culture, era to era.letsbefree wrote:I think it comes down to what as intelligent creatures we consider right and wrong... and i think you'd find it hard to gather a group that would consider rape, pillage and murder is the right things to do.
Apparently the Vikings loved a bit of pillaging, and the Aztecs made ritual human sacrifices. The Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, and in most military conflicts each side believes that killing their opposition is justified. Some people consider the death penalty as murder, some do not. Throughout most of human history, slavery was accepted and sex with your slaves was considered a right, whether they liked it or not, something which still goes on today in Sudan.
We are intelligent creatures, but we don't all consider the same things to be right and wrong.
Can you not see any sort of downside to society as a whole from individuals being able to opt out of government control in a particular territory?letsbefree wrote:I believe people should have the choice, if they have benefit from the system and have no issues with it, then stay within it, great. But if you really don't have any benefit, and disagree with most of it, you should be allowed to step away from it with your own free will, and not be forced to be governed by it, after all its not a dictatorship.
While I'm not trying to free myself from this system exactly, I do detest people being misled regardless of the subject. If it ever actually turned out this stuff was real I'd be as interested as anyone else, but at the moment it just looks like a mess of badly thought out arguments, with little evidence to support them. If someone is talking rubbish, it's better that they know, so they can improve their understanding. I hope that if someone catches me talking rubbish (and can demonstrate why), they'd tell me.letsbefree wrote:It surprises me that you spend so much time on this site, if your not trying to find a way to free your self from any part of the system, Don't get me wrong, its been very interesting going into detail with you, but i'm surprised by your commitment to seemingly try to support the system.