The Case of David Stirling and William Stirling.

[freescot]

We need people to print or write this letter (below) or something simmilar and post it to the address in the letter. We need you to tell your friends about this and ask them to help by writing one too. no need to send it registered but we need as many as we can get to arrive this week to flood the court principal with them. please help Billy and David our true friends and sovereigns by this simple task. many thanks.

David and Williams "crime" was writing a letter to the Procurator Fiscal telling him they were going to grow Grass, doing exatly that, having it confiscated and dragged through the courts 3 times without the procurator getting a conviction and then they went out and repeated the process.

They claim its their right under God to grow any of god herbs as stated in The Book of Genisis

William and David are currently being held in Barlinie Prison, on a MAX 140 day remand for trial. They would sure appreciate if you drop them a line too.

HMP Barlinnie
81 Lee Avenue
Riddrie
GLASGOW
G33 2QX

Thanks for your assistance, signed letters would be good but even unsigned ones will help.We estimate that every one letter represents the views of approximatly 13,000 peopple. Lets show them what we think
For more on Billy and David visit their home site http://scottishsovereignsontheland.ning.com

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Sheriff Clerk's Office
Sheriff Court of Glasgow and Strathkelvin
PO BOX 23
1 Carlton Place
Glasgow
G5 9DA

The Case of David Stirling and William Stirling.

It would appear that the Procurator Fiscal is indulging in barratry, having failed in three previous court appearances to gain a conviction for the same charge.

Whether the Procurator is also a liar is also up for debate. Objecting to bail of the above remanded men by stating that on previous occasion they had failed to appear when in every case the flesh and blood men were always present in the court implies that he, the procurator is either an out and out liar or he is infact referring to some other entity namely MR DAVID STIRLING and MR WILLIAM STIRLING in which case the two men are being illegally detained and as such must be released immediately unless the procurator can show a liability based in law that a flesh and blood man must take the liability for a title that is known to belong to another party.

The question as to the legality of any of this cannot be denied, it is clearly delcict as both the imprisoned men stand under their own law having legally renounced their consent to acts of Parliament, documented, witnessed and signed by a Notary and unrebutted by any authority within the United Kingdom as such this document stands as the law for these two sovereign men.

There is no lawful reason to detain these men as they have simply been charged with failing to comply with a rule of a society in which they have no contract to perform. No Law has been breached, there is no corpus delecti, no hurt harm or injury, no theft, fraud nor even a breach of the peace has occurred and consequtly there has been no criminal intent to cause the same.

If the state continues to imprison these men against their will the state becomes the guilty party and all those connected with it will themselves be considered as aiding and abetting a criminal act by the state.

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UPDATE

The lads say thanks to you all for making the effort to send of the letters and they appreciated getting mail too, really lifted their spirits.

Their appeal will be heard tomorrow Tusday the 28th Sept in Edinburgha High Court.

Will post the outcome when we get it.

Thanks

[madlookin]

freescot....fairplay for helping out...i wish them well....some threads can get buried very quickly on such an active forum...maybe you could post the outcome,
regards
madlookin

[startfresh]

good luck wit this every one freshy ill abstain

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28th Sept - Appeal case result Bail denied

Billy and David would, quite rightly, not accept liability for the corporate identity and are now still being detined illeagally by the corupt court system who are claiming to continue to hold them "AS" MR WILLIAM STIRLING and MR DAVID STIRLING.

Think we are going to need everybodies help in dealing with this, looks like they are trying to set a precedent here by holding flesh and blood men and claiming they have joinder with their Corporate entities when quite simply they don't. This precedent could affect all of us. Your assistance is being asked for.

[bodge]

This type of illegal behaviour is entirely to be expected from the system management when you try to lean against it, ikt doesnt like it so they put their best shiniest doc martins on come round and give you a good legal kicking. When the judiciary start to consider themselves as the law this is the behaviour you expect. Keep your spirits up and weed plants warm boys I am sure that Dr Evil (procurator Fiscal) will eventually die.

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Uppdate on the Billy and David Stirling Case.

They are still on Remand in HMP Barlinnie, so folks if you've got a few mins and a few pence for a stamp to drop them a note or a card, they'd sure appreciate hearing from you.

Mail addy Address for Mail to Either :

Wiliam Stirling or David Stirling
HMP Barlinnie
Glasgow
G33 2QX

Invoices based on their NOUICOR Price lists are going out first, this is for millions as both have and show clearly that an Estoppal is already in place barring any charges against the above named under statute law. They also have the “Commercial Affidavit of Truth”, which is held within the Hague, again barring any charges against the above until the Government are first tried for various crimes committed.
These invoice will then be the basis for liens, again for milliions against indevidual government personel who have failed in their duty and transfgressed the fee schedual.
Both Billy and David are peacful inhabitants and do love their brothers and sisters but their freedomn is being denied for no other reason other than the fact that they will not accept liability for the government created fictions.
The liens will be placed on the folowing but not limited to.:-
List of People served with Billy and David Affidavits October 2010

The Right Honourable Eilish Angiolini acting as
Lord Advocate
Crown Office
25 Chambers Street
Edinburgh
EH1 1LA

The Right Honourable Lord Hamilton acting as
Lord Advocate
Crown Office
Court of Session
11 Parliament House
Edinburgh
EH1 1RQ

The Right Honourable David Cameron acting as
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
10 Downing Street
London SW1A 0AA

The Right Honourable Nick Clegg acting as
Depute Prime Minister, Lord President of the Council
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 0AA

The Right Honourable Kenneth Clarke, acting as
Lord Chancellor
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA

The Right Honourable Alex Salmond acting as
Scotland First Minister
Office of First Minister
St Andrews House
Edinburgh
EH1 3DG

The Honourable Stephen House QPM acting as
Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police
Strathclyde Police Headquarters
173 Pitt Street
Glasgow
G2 4JS

Robin Howe Chief Superintendent
Divisional Commander 'G' Divisional
Govan Police Office
Provisional Headquarters
923 Helen Street
Glasgow
G52 1EE

The Honourable Ian Davidson acting as
Local MP for Glasgow Southwest
Constituency Office
3 Kilmuir Drive
Glasgow
G46 8BW

Chief Executive Officer
Reliance Security Group Limited
Boundary House
Cricketfield Road
Uxbridge
Middlesex
UB8 1QG

Chief Executive Officer
Reliance Security Group Limited
Unit 10
1st Floor
Platinum House
23 Eagle Street
Craighall Business Park
Glasgow
G4 9XA

Derek McGill acting as
Governor for HMP Barlinnie
81 Lee Avenue
Riddrie
Glasgow
G33 2QX

Mr Bill McKinlay retired Governor
of HMP Barlinnie
81 Lee Avenue
Riddrie
Glasgow
G33 2QX

Lesley Thompson
Procurator Fiscal
10 Ballater Street
Glasgow
G5 9PS

Sheriff James A Taylor
Sheriff Principle of Glasgow and Strathkelvin
1 Carlton Place
Glasgow
G5 9DA

Anthone Frederick Deutsche
Sheriff for Glasgow Sheriff Court
1 Carlton Place
Glasgow
G5 9DA

Paul Vincent Crozier
Part Time Sheriff for Glasgow Sheriff Court
1 Carlton Place
Glasgow
G5 9DA

The Honourable Lady Smith (Anne Mather Smith)
Crown Office
Court of Session
11 Parliament House
Edinburgh
EH1 1RQ

Kenny MacAskill Cabinet Secretary for Justice
The Scottish Parliament
Edinburgh
EH99 1SP

Feel free to pettion any of these government officers too ofcourse.

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UPDATE
Billy & David up for pleading diet to-day 20th Dec.
Procurator Fiscal lied in court saying he hadn't recieved the paperwork!

We had 21 people there in support of the lads.

Case cotinued to the 30th December 2010.

Trial date set for 5th January 2011 Strathkelving sheriff court Glasgow.

The Lads will be locked up in jail over xmas so if you get a chance drop them a line or a card.

All welcome at both of the next cases and letters and complains about the lying PF will be getting sent in too along with demands for his resignation.

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************UPDATE NEWS************
Billy and David released on Bail until trial date 24 Jan

From the top Yesterday They did well but Sheriff continued it until tomorrow (now today) to read their paperwork. They very competently challenged the jurisdiction of the court to deal with them in respect of acts of parliament, Asking the judge to present any evidence that they were UK citizens, that there affidavits of truth stood unrebutted and to define the Geographical jurisdiction of Scotland. The court was a company and subject to commercial law, that the Sheriff was the trustee to their MR Trusts and that the procurator fiscal had committed verifiable perjury and should be charged with the same, that the arrest warrant was invalid as the signature cannot be read and to have equity in law they must be released immediately to prepare for any impending action. It was a joy to watch both the Procurator and the Sheriff struggle with the shear volume of quality argument they piled onto them.

So we are back today to see part 2, the Sheriffs findings on their arguments. Needless to say he very eloquently found in favour of the courts jurisdiction over them without providing any evidence what so ever in favour of that decision other than that which was in dispute namely jurisdiction and geographical jurisdiction, merely stating that their paperwork was outside the framework of Scotslaw and that they were infact subject to Scotslaw. He then went on about their claims relating to arrest and evidence, the procurator in my view made a complete arse of himself in this matter going on about secrecy and confidentiality and the risks this would be passed to third parties and could even end up on the internet etc. (a pure joke, we are talking about men planting seeds for Christ sake) Any David showed him as a bit of a dishonourable scoundrel by simply saying that if the crowns evidence was sent to him marked "private and confidential" he was honour bound to keep it so which the Sheriff accepted and finally set an evidential hearing on the 13 Jan to discuss these matters in depth before a jury trial originally set for 5th Jan however the state were prepared to move that to the 24th Jan giving Billy and David time to prepare for this.

Billy and David argued that they were not being dealt with equally under the law as they had no access to legal books etc while incarcerated in Barlinnie and should be released on bail immediately to prepare for the trial. Again the despicable procurator objected to bail stating they had failed to appear at previous hearings which is a blatant lie, David explained how they had been arrested in court for non appearance, the PF then getting into stick territory about the difference between appearing and "presenting " yourself at court. The judge said he was reluctant to grant bail as the had been arrested while on bail however David gave his word again as a matter of honour that they would not engage in growing cannabis while on bail and until this matter was settled. The procurator then demanded that they would have to sign for the bail order and this was finally agreed and the judge who I must say did act as honourably as he could while supporting his false jurisdiction claim, which personaly I believe needs to be re argued. Finally he granted bail.

[the trojan]

very very interesting.