DVLA and de-registering your car. OFFICIAL

[frogmanbrabs]

Mornin everyone. I recently used a NOUICR to de-register my car from the DVLA and that was followed with a Notice of Non Response and Estoppel. I received this morning a follow up letter from Nicola Virdee the Corporate Affairs Directorate it makes interesting reading.

Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency
Corporate Affairs Directorate
D16/ DVLA
Longview Road
Morriston
Swansea
SA6 7JL





5th October 2011


Dear Paul

I am in receipt of your letter of 3 October and note the contents. This response is to inform you that if you use or keep a motor vehicle in the United Kingdom you are obliged to comply with United Kingdom statute law.

I interpret your letter to imply that you refute any such obligation. You may wish to obtain independent legal advice so that you properly understand the fit between your view of your obligations and the application of statute law requirements to you.

I will not engage in any discussion on this matter but confine myself to saying that any breach by you of your obligations in statute law will be dealt with in exactly the same way as any other person in the United Kingdom. Among other obligations you must register and licence with DVLA any vehicle kept by you and comply with the vehicle licencing requirements. Similarly you must seek and keep up to date a driving licence issued by this agency if you intend to drive a motor vehicle on the public road. There are penalties provided for in statute law for breach of these obligations.

I write in clear and stark terms in order to avoid any doubt. And will not enter into any further discussion on the matter.

Yours sincerely

Nicola Virdee
Corporate Affairs Directorate

So there you have it folks we are only obliged to comply.

I would love to hear the views of those in the know.

Namaste

[stompy]

nice:) they still use the word motor vehicle in it though and not automobile so there telling us what we already knew-noone at work eg white van man can smoke weed while driving

[frogmanbrabs]

Well it finally happened I was stopped by the policy officers last night and they watched as a tow truck operator stole my car. I asked them why they were taking my private and personal property without my consent and the officer kept quoting statutory laws and legislations and acts to me. I pointed out to him on numerous occasions that I have a lawful contract with the DVLA and that I do not consent to the statutes he was quoting but it fell on deaf ears. He asked me at first to step out of the car and sit in his car and I refused and told him I was comfortable sitting in my own vehicle. He then asked my name and D.O.B. and I gave him my name and family name which I pointed out to him that was my family name. Then he told me he was seizing my vehicle and called for a tow truck, he asked for the keys and I refused telling him the keys were my own personal property. He then told me that it was an offence to obstruct a police officer in the execution of his duty to which I replied I'm not obstructing you in any way as I'm sitting in my own private mode of transport. By now he was gettin irritated and trying to goad me into an aggressive response. I was pissing him off even more because all the time I was smiling and talking to him in a normal tone, he then spouted out the ritual You do not have to say anything etc. Any further questions were met with you just told me I do not have to say anything. I refused to sign any paperwork and made him aware of the Fee schedule in my contract which states £20,000 for loss or damage to my privately owned conveyance and £500 per hour for being stopped etc.(I was kept for an hour and a half). When the tow truck arrived I got out nof the car and the tow truck driver opened the door and got in. I asked him what he was doing and told him that he was taking my property without my consent which is theft. He just laughed and referred me to the 2 policy officers sitting in their car observing. That's when I asked the officers if they were going to stop the man from stealing my property and they refused. I pointed out that they were not upholding the law and were aiding and abetting to the theft of a motor vehicle, the officer just said he has our permission. He also used the term law instead of statute to describe what he was doing. The officer offered me a document which had information on how to reclaim my car but I asked him if by accepting the document I would be deemed to be accepting their stautes. He replied no it's just a police officer giving you a piece of paper. They want me to pay £150 to get my car back by Monday 31st Oct and if I leave it longer it will be £20/day extra. A nice little earner. In addition I can expect to receive an NIP for No insurance and Unregistered vehicle. The funny thing is yet again I've been given a legal document and they've got the reg no. wrong he's written LCF instead of LFC for the last 3 letters. Anyone out there in the know what steps would you advise me to take next?

[Doiremick]

It only says if you use or keep a vehicle...you don't, you own one, like me No registration and article 13 of the universal declaration of human rights is all you need.

[frogmanbrabs]

Sounds interesting tell me more Doiremick.

[Doiremick]

The universal declaration of human rights article 13 says :-

Article 13.

* (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
* (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Freedom of movement, it doesn't say freedom of walking so movement means anything that moves, it also says right and not privelage.

When your car is de-registered it is no longer registered for public service, that's what the vehicle licencing agency does it issues government agent licences.

Just put 2 and 2 together and you've got it...Now in saying that just because this is the way it is doesn't mean the police know this stuff or respect it so you have to be prepared to get into a few heated discussions and maybe deal with being arrested, if not don't do it because it's not worth it unless you have the balls to emphasise your right.

[newmannewy]

It is all just a play on words to cheat yuo out of what is rightfully yours..

it will come to an end soon as we will all be going to war.

[Doiremick]

Don't know about you dude but I will not be going into voluntary suicide for the powers that (think they) be.

[freemenorthants]

as when able to be a learner driver, well wonder, if the dmands of dvla, one needs thier fake legal firction named card/phone to use and then updateing demands of a phonto ie, wording o nfrom today, we may share your data with law enfrocement , ie icall the spys, and i say no contract, so i wondered how any one got a letter with dvla ltd comfriming our human being right to travel, ie in ones own car yet?

[frogmanbrabs]

Well it's 4 months now since they stopped me for no insurance and stole my car and still no NIP or court date. They have 2 more months and then they can't do a thing. Ask yourself why they haven't taken action, is it because I refused to consent to their Statutory Laws? Personally I would love to go to their office or magistrates court and give them a good seeing to. If it comes to that though I would be looking for anyone who would be prepared to film it and publicise what is going on.