Why NOTA is pointless

[Phil]

I have a far bigger concern about NOTA than Sheddy does.

What happens if the NOTA candidate is not the last name on the ballot paper (or machine)? If the NOTA candidate was the first name on the ballot then he/she would surely have to belong to NOTB. And if they were somewhere in the middle............?

[simlmx]

The people voting Labour/Tory are already allowing Paedophiles into positions of highest office in the land, all you have to do to confirm that is google for the info

Absolutely correct in my view and that's evident to anyone familiar with the dunblane massacre case

[arten]

I have a far bigger concern about NOTA than Sheddy does.

What happens if the NOTA candidate is not the last name on the ballot paper (or machine)? If the NOTA candidate was the first name on the ballot then he/she would surely have to belong to NOTB. And if they were somewhere in the middle............?

Hi Phil

A number of points:,

1) could put that question to the Government and electoral commission because they band it as a title for a political
party.

2) NOTA is regarded universally as an positive abstention vote.

3) We do not make the rules in these elections so we have to cope as best we can within the guidelines. We are running as NOTA -None of the above, as a duty. Creating a democratic service that the government and electoral commission choose to ignore.

4) We are also field candidates although it is an irrelevance in NOTAs case since the candidates are not seeking office. But it is necessary to meet with the electoral rules and field them.

We have to work with the cards we are dealt with. But the more support we get the easier it will become. You only have to look at the history books to see our heresy at one time becomes the norm in the future.

[Sheddy]

I think we could use the first part of his argument in our favour:

I worked in sales for a while and the biggest rule of selling is to never ask the client if he wants to buy, always askwhat he wants to buy.

Never ask if he wants to buy the car. Ask what colour he would want the car to be if he were to buy one. Compliment him on his choice of colour and ask him what upholstery he would like, leather or cloth .... he is now buying the car, all you have to do is to put the paper in front of him to sign. He has bought the car by inference.

In the same way, we are presented with a ballot paper with a list of candidates. We are not asked if we want to vote for any of them, we are asked which one we wish to vote for.

Regards



Terry

Already there is spin.

[arten]

I think we could use the first part of his argument in our favour:

I worked in sales for a while and the biggest rule of selling is to never ask the client if he wants to buy, always askwhat he wants to buy.

Never ask if he wants to buy the car. Ask what colour he would want the car to be if he were to buy one. Compliment him on his choice of colour and ask him what upholstery he would like, leather or cloth .... he is now buying the car, all you have to do is to put the paper in front of him to sign. He has bought the car by inference.

In the same way, we are presented with a ballot paper with a list of candidates. We are not asked if we want to vote for any of them, we are asked which one we wish to vote for.

Regards



Terry

Already there is spin.

I would call it Reframing, you tried to put a damper on it and of course you have been given an answer that you don't seem to like. NOTA will make inroads once people understand the idea behind it.

[Sheddy]

If people REALLY understand it then they will understand that it is nonsensical. Instead of being a puppet, think about it logically. You know that the system is wrong so you validate it by using it to tell it that it is wrong.

That does not make sense.

Why give a screwed up system validity? Why not just create an online poll that gives people the ability to register their non-vote? Why not push for a non-voting box to be added to the polling card? Why not encourage people to stand outside of every polling station to inform the public that they are allowed to not vote and that by consciously registering at the polling station on the voting day and then not posting a vote they will screw up what I assume to be their cross referencing count?

I assume that the reason you have to hand in your registration card is so that they can keep tally of how many people have attended a polling station? How would that look? - 10,000 people attend a polling station but only 5% actually vote.

That would be a clear message tot he powers that be to tell them that we do not like nor trust them.

[arten]

I have already explained this by not voting you give your tacit admission to whatever party is in power whether you like it or not. By Voting for NOTA you show real positve Dissention and if NOTA then begins to win seats you will see change or at least Martial Law if they won the bloody thing. Like I have said before not everyone Can or Will drop out of the system, I have done what the AT suggested used my person wisely, and will continue to do so.

[Sheddy]

Where is it written that accent to be governed is given by not voting?

there are two reasons for not voting:
1/ People who don't vote because they can't be bothered
2/ people who don't vote because the candidates are untrustworthy and the system is bent, therefore there is nothing worth voting for.

I fall into the latter category. You are trying to tell me that by voting for a candidate representing NOTA, I am registering a vote for no one and no party?

How can that be? How can I vote for NOTA and have that count as a non vote? How can I make my mark on a voting slip mean that I am not voting for anyone on that voting slip?

Total rot, you chaps just haven't thought this through.

Only by attending the polling station, signing to show your attendance and then not casting a vote can the message be put across.

[arten]

You don't get it, let me spell it out for you Sheddy:

When you don't vote, you give your Vote to Brown because he is currently serving with the ruling party.

When you vote for a NOTA Candidate, you are actually in reality submitting a Protest Vote.

And you will be voting for a Human Being standing under the NOTA Banner.

Your Choice.

Remember a Non Vote is a Vote because the Ruling party Gets the benefit of your I can't be arsed to vote attitude, which is the way they planned it. Last election 17 Million people never voted I was one of them, now NOTA is here I will be voting NOTA for reasons previously stated.

[FLYING COLOURS]

There will possibly be elections for a few more years yet - to convince the sheeple that all is above board and ship - shape.

The reality is, as I posted on the thread re "Heute Europe - Morgen Die ganzen Weld" - that they have already started the dismantling of England - reducing the councils from 44 to 9. These nine "super councils" are the zoning plans for England. Obviously, there will be no need for all those councilors - and later, no need for the MP's who are currently representing the done away with areas. This all leads to the softening of the sheeple to accept in later years, that there is no need for a parliament, - - - - - -and its done in the disguise of SAVING THE TAXPAYER MONEY!!!! (And there will not be any need for any martial law - thats virtually in place now!!).