HSBC Bank Loan Advice Please

[arten]

Do some research and stop talking bollox.

I think you should take your own advice we have seen what happens when banks get into trouble the government bails them out.
The whole Money system is a Con game there are some great videos out there that explain that con in language that even you can understand get searching for them.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2659265376

[Obama Bin Laden]

Show me how a signature creates money.

[arten]

Show me how a signature creates money.

The trail starts when peoples parents put them into bondage when under threat from the state they are coerced into regestering their child who is then given a birth certificate on the creation of the articial person who is then Bonded into slavery.
If you know none of that then get reading and the best way to learn is to research the subject yourself, people here will give you pointers if you ask nicely.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1041424/2 ... eated_2_5/

http://www.masternewmedia.org/economy/d ... 070804.htm

[Obama Bin Laden]

Please please please, stop believing everything you see on conspiracy sites.

Read a book on economics.

It's called Fractional Reserve Banking. Here's an explanation made simple for the really really dumb:

http://geographyfieldwork.com/HowBanksWork.htm

"Banks accept deposits and make loans and make a profit from the difference in the interest rates paid on deposits and charged for loans. Banks work because of our trust. We give a bank our money to keep it safe for us, and then the bank lends it to someone else in order to make money for itself. Banks can legally lend far more money than they have cash. Still, most of us have total trust in the bank's ability to protect our money and give it to us when we ask for it."


"Banks create money in the economy by making loans. The amount of money that banks can lend is directly affected by the reserve requirement set by the Central Bank (in the UK, the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve Bank in the US). The UK Central Bank reserve requirement is currently 3.1 percent of a bank's total deposits. This amount can be held either in cash on hand or in the bank's reserve account with the Central Bank."


It relies on DEPOSITS, not your worthless signature.

But if you don't like / don't trust banks, that's fine with me. Just stop whinging about not having any money and stop borrowing from them.

Can't you see you're being worked? I wonder what the real aim of TPUC is?

[slimline66]

Please please please, stop believing everything you see on conspiracy sites.

Too right ...though, Hansard is very relieving!
http://thesecretpeople.wordpress.com/money/

[arten]

Please please please, stop believing everything you see on conspiracy sites.

I think you should stop believing everything officidolm teaches you to believe in, it is clear to me that something is wrong with the System.
Long before I ever heard of John Harris I had already concluded empirically that we are slaves to the system. And we are locked in through various means, religion being one of the easiest ways to control and manipulate people's minds.
I don't think this site ot the people running it have an agenda other than to wake people up to the scam of what is really going on. I do think Obama you have an agenda, your agenda is clear you have come here to try and uphold values that most people here find abhorrent, I bet you are one of the many who believe 19 camel jockeys brought down the twin towers. I bet you believe in the biggest conspiracy perpetuated by The Roman Anti Christ Church over the last two thousand years, and that is a Myth called Jesus was born of a virgin, walked on water and turned water into wine.

It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere.
Voltaire

[klogger]

And besides their is a Statute that prevents banks from loaning out other people's monies.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to that statute would you? I had also read that the banks take the deposit and under the terms & conditions of the account they take ownership of the money and the account owner gets an IOU. Then the banks can do what they want with the money as it is theirs. I don't have a link for that information, I just read it in a forum post. If you can provide the statute link it would go some way to proving that theory.

Is there any reason why money cannot be created by both FRB and a signature (promissory note)? If you have watched the Money Masters:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ey+masters

then there is an excellent example of how paper money is created in order to represent deposits of gold. The example it uses is during the American Gold Rush where people would deposit their gold into the safes of the goldsmiths. The goldsmiths would give a receipt for the gold (paper money). Pretty soon the goldsmiths realised that no one ever claimed all of their gold at one time and so they began lending out what they had spare. This is the beginning of FRB in America.

However, when people came of the gold standard then it would be possible to use a promissory note. This promise could be considered valuable and then sold onto to anyone interested in purchasing such a thing. This would be the start of creating money from a signature.

I see no reason why both can't be correct especially when there is nothing backing money of either type any more. Can anyone shoot that down?

[NAME.To.Name]

Please stop feeding the monkey.

[Obama Bin Laden]

I do think Obama you have an agenda, your agenda is clear you have come here to try and uphold values that most people here find abhorrent, I bet you are one of the many who believe 19 camel jockeys brought down the twin towers. I bet you believe in the biggest conspiracy perpetuated by The Roman Anti Christ Church over the last two thousand years, and that is a Myth called Jesus was born of a virgin, walked on water and turned water into wine.

I have already told you that I have come here to suggest that you find a suitable micronation to become part of to avoid having to be part of a society you find abhorrent.

I myself am a diplomat for the Empire of Atlantium.

Trying to fight the PTB using ancient laws is a waste of time and will result in most people getting into much deeper trouble / debt.

But, please yourself. Everyone to their own, I always say. But I will not condone law breaking, reneging on debt, or outrageous conspiracy theories.

No-one has been able to prove to me that our birth certificates are actually used as bonds or some other financial instrument to make money for the Government. It is pure fantasy.

[simlmx]

No-one has been able to prove to me that our birth certificates are actually used as bonds or some other financial instrument to make money for the Government. It is pure fantasy.

so shrouts full of shit in your view?