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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights [Updated 10/10/09]

Postby slimline66 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:44 pm

EDIT: Added links to other relevant threads and info.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights [Updated 23/09/2009]
UDHR - Inalienable

UDHR - Rebellion - Rule of Law
UDHR: Article 1 - Fundamental Human Rights

eBook - UDHR - Drafting, Intent, etc. *HIGHLY RECOMMENDED*

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights - Video
Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 25 - Video

The Answer ...
UDHR in schools?
A Peoples Union and the UDHR

Dignity - Poem

I've recently bought this book and must say, its very good! Here it is on google books.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Origins, Drafting, and Intent By Johannes Morsink

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Its past the time now where you so called FREEMEN should realise that your one the wrong track with the "common law trumps statutes" theory viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5628&start=0. It doesn't! They use statutes to take away any rights and freedoms we have. You're flogging a dead horse and are no where closer to your goal than any recent "newbie" ... I think the phrase "going round in circles" has been used before, and I'm sorry to say, it looks like its true.

The way I see it is that if we are to start to change the way these bastards are taking away our freedoms then keep it simple, look at what works ie. deny them funds, non compliance etc, keeping all arguments based on COMMON SENSE!!

Common sense tells us that they only have authority because of past history and that authority is the authority of the tyrant ... it was not GIVEN FREELY.

You can prove that authority should be GIVEN FREELY by reducing the human population to just two people. If one person takes authority without the consent of the other then that is tyranny. It's that simple. Common sense.

This is what we as the people of our country should be working toward. If we need a group of people to act as government then we should GIVE them the authority FREELY because it's the right thing to do and in OUR best interests.

Points to remember ... there is NO Crown ... there is NO Parliament ... there is NO Government ... there is no Minister ... no Father Christmas there ARE only groups of human beings JUST LIKE YOU, but with the exception that they have access to professional FORCE. Common sense and FACT!

If they insist there is a Parliament, ask them to prove there is such thing as one ...

If they insist that there is a Queen, ask them to prove there is one ...

They deal in deception.

They are the MAIN GANGSTERS and if they wore leather jackets they would have THE CROWN painted on their backs. But they don't, they wear suits. A very respectable illusion.

SEE WHAT IS REALLY REAL.

On 10th December 1948 after the last war ended Britain signed The Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They hardships and deaths that our grand parents and great grand parents went through and experienced during those years fighting for the freedoms of this country must now be fully recognised and understood. The Declaration is the trophy that our families earned IN FULL and to give up those hard won rights would be a disgrace and shameful to their names.

Article 30 ensures that the previous articles are adhered to by the State.

The Declaration came about because of the bravery and courage of our past families and it is OURS!!! ... all we need do is reclaim it.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
On December 10, 1948 the General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights the full text of which appears in the following pages. Following this historic act the Assembly called upon all Member countries to publicize the text of the Declaration and "to cause it to be disseminated, displayed, read and expounded principally in schools and other educational institutions, without distinction based on the political status of countries or territories."


PREAMBLE

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
Article 1:

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2:

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3:

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4:

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5:

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6:

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7:

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8:

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9:

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10:

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11:

1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Article 12:

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13:

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 14:

1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 15:

1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.

2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 16:

1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.

3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Article 17:

1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Article 18:

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19:

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20:

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21:

1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.

2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22:

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23:

1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Article 24:

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25:

1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Article 26:

1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.

2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
Article 27:

1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Article 28:

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29:

1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 30:

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby Star-Child » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:05 am

Yah, I have tried phoning a few of the schools in this land to see how many have the UDHR posters up and who is teaching the children the principles of it so it is constantly in the minds of , well, everyone. to ensure that "highly educated" thugs do not go on commercial mass slaughter to fulfill some perverse ambition .

If I had more time that I could allocate , and I may do in the future, I dont know, but I would push that forward to ensure all the kids and teachers have copies of it, and ideally run lessons in schools based on its principles. Teaching children age 6 and up I think for a good 10 years will give them a good primer and exposure to more awareness of creating a "new world order" based on living in peace, sharing and sensible stewardship of resources.

My initial dozen or so calls, have resulted in no Human Rights document present, and many hadn't even heard of it. So much for it being constantly in mind of the worlds population ehh ? Well it has been over 60 years and its not even in our schools ? Dear ohh dear...... I did also try and get through to the education ministers department to see why this is not on the state education agenda.

It will be good to help create peaceful peoples, but in a world where war is big business, one can see why this document is not posted everywhere, and why our schools do not teach it to our kids. I mean we have 18 year olds having their heads blown off for War, how would they be conditioned to fight and kill other men/women/children, if those children were educated for 10 years on fundamental human rights ? I do not think so many teenagers would be willing to run into a shower of bullets for a paycheck, in order to resolve business issues of others.

Still, I'm open to debate on these matters.

cheers.

How come we do not hear any world leaders talking of a Universal Declaration Of Peace ? All war is illegal ? And why is the British Army in Afghanistan , I mean if they pulled out, would Britain be invaded or something ? Is that why the Army is over there to stop the invasion ?
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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby emmanualgoldstein » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:28 am

Theres some UK court ruling that states that the UDHR is not a legally binging document. When I heard this I then went looking to see if the UN made it binding on the UK regardless of UK definitions of legally binding. In order to bring anything to the UN you need to be a state. In order to become a state you have to kill a few people :cry: and get recognition for the frags.

Im not sure about england, but in scotland, if A agrees with B to give something to C, even if its in a foreign country, then its enforcable as a unilateral and gratuitous obligation (C neednt give anything in return to A, but C is still bound to perform). The UDHR is an agreement between the UK and the other UN states to recognise these inalienable rights. Threes also the ICCPR which declares itself a "covenant" so no argument could be given over whether a declaration is an agreement or not because a covenant is definitely the binding of a right or obligation anywhere the romans have been. Wonder how it would stand up in court though. Probably as good as the Bank of Englands promises to pay.
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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby Star-Child » Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:37 am

I think I have Britain signed up to the UN charter late 40's or 50's IIRC. But I think there have been some judgments whereby the courts follow the spirit of the declaration. (again foggy memory when I looked into UDHR last year or so )

I was speaking to some bod in whistle blower department of the gov a while back regarding an individuals "right to work" , the lady said there was no such thing, but I remembered the UDHR and told her that it is a basic right that forms part of ones dignity, ability to provide so assists the family unit etc.

Article 23:

1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.



I was assisting with someone who was at work, being bullied, not being allowed breaks, having to stand to eat when they could have a break etc etc, So I thought the whistle blower ,under health and safety breech would offer protection to the individual whilst the wrongdoers were sorted out.

:) alas, I was told about zebrugger ferry disaster and how the whistle blower policy was used , but I got the impression that for ordinary folk working in smaller companies, then they aint interested. I expect they need a death to result or something, my thinking was being proactive to prevent suffering & deaths in the first place.

ho hum..........
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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby kazz67 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:15 am

Thanks Slim. i reckon this will develop into an interesting and, hopefully, worthwhile discussion.

The phrase 'Intelligent Rebellion' occurred to me the other day, and I was actually planning on starting a thread on the topic today, but I think yours works just as well.
We need to, whilst holding on to and aiming for our dreams of a free, equitable world for all, not loose sight of the world we currently live in. We need to bring REALISTIC challenges to bare against these all encompassing systems of oppression and control. We need to use they own mechanisms against them, in order to defeat them.

I've just read in another thread part of a letter one of our users has sent to his bank which reads "I the agent for the strawman named..." (or words to that affect). Which, to someone who has never come across the 'Freeman' concept would read something like "I am acting for a scarecrow"!
This is just one small example of the lack of coherent, think it through to it's conclusion, reasoning that so much of the 'Freeman movement' seems to embody.

Pretending that Statues are not used to deny us our freedom ("well, they're not lawful, therefore they don't affect me") is silly, IMO!
In another recent thread, one of our users discussed the mechanisms by which statutes lawfully gain the 'consent of the governed', which he'd read in one of Macswin's books on common law. He was promptly set upon by another two users for daring to suggest that statutes could be legitimate!! And yet, he was saying that because TPTB bypass the mechanisms laid down for the enactment of statutes, they are, in fact, unlawful.

I believe, if we are to achieve anything worthwhile, we need to get some solid earth beneath our feet - lay foundations the can withstand the amount of pressure that they will inevitably be subjected to. to do that we need to use our intelligence (heart, soul and mind) and not just stick out fingers in our ears and cry 'illegitimate', 'unlawful', 'red herring' every time we encounter a statute we do not like.... those things may be true, but we need to challenge them with something a little more substantial.... like the UDHR, for example. - Which reminds me...

emmanualgoldstein wrote:Theres some UK court ruling that states that the UDHR is not a legally binging document.


Could you be a little more specific please Emmanual. If you don't know the specifics, maybe some clues as to the whys and wherefores of this, so that a search term may be gleaned and reference found..? Thanks.


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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby bhawk » Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:19 pm

the only problem i can really think of with the UDHR is the same we have in many other aspects. if someone commits a crime we "tell on them" to the police, the relevant people....with the UDHR i dont think we have someone to "tell" who is able to enforce it upon such large corrupt bodies.
The only chance we have is if the people unite. the chances of that in reality though are minute to non-existant.
Again....how many people even know it exists. it all seems like a show put on to keep the masses happy, once the masses are focused on something else its put aside like waste.
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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby emmanualgoldstein » Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:51 pm

Article 30 is the big giveaway - none of these rights are recognised unless the UN say so. No shit, they arent even recognised when the UN does say so. If nothing else it serves as clear proof that the rights (regardless of article 30) having been inalienable will forever remain so, regardless of them being recognised.

kazz - I cant provide the specific link because it was a very long time ago. I've known about this for a long time. It looks like a well documented fact though: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=udhr+not+enforcable+site%3A.uk&btnG=Search&meta=
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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby slimline66 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:34 am

Having re-read my initial post I see it could be taken that the link I posted was a dig at bhawk's handling of his problem, it wasn't, it was posted to show the response that he received.

It's nice to see such positive minds on this thread. 8-)

Emmanual is correct, the UDHR isn't a legally binding document ... and thank fuck for that!!!

... because if it were then they could bastardise it like they do with everything else when it suits them.

What it is though, is a Declaration, or rather a UNIVERSAL Declaration that was signed by the leaders of this country and leaders of 40 odd other countries on behalf of the people and FOR the people. It's a Declaration of fundamental rights and freedoms, and improves on it's predecessor The Magna Carta.

IT BELONGS TO US AND CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY FROM US, EVER! ( ... unless we never use it or never INSIST on it being adhered to! ;) )

As it belongs to us, we should use it!

We should use it whenever ANYONE or ANY GROUP acts against the principles of our Declaration, because our Declaration is how WE INSIST that we are treated and how we will treat each other.

Can anyone come up with any just reason why we shouldn't strive to ensure that those acting in the position of government adhere to the pledge signed by this country in 1948?

I think a tyrannical minded peoples of a government might object to reason and common sense, but the ordinary man in the street will not.

You have to ask yourself WHY (as previously posted above) isn't the UDHR and it's history taught in schools?

I see real possibilities of making the kinds of changes that are right for everyone and not just the few when it's realised that most people through out the world want the same basic things; most of which are outlined in our Declaration.

Article 21 - 3 "The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government" - now, in bhawks letter (see link in first post) wasn't he told that their authority derives from the Crown? ...

Emmanual you are wrong with regard to Article 30!

Here's a few video's I've found on youtube:

Eleanor Roosevelt presents the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to the UN General Assembly for acceptance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71mAIaAe-x0



The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTlrSYbCbHE



The Universal Declaration of Human Rights II:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiFIu_z4dM8



Everybody - Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pby1KngOhBY

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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby emmanualgoldstein » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:15 am

A few questions and statements not so much regarding whether these rights or exist or not, but whether they are recognised in the UK or even enforced. If we are prevented from defending our inalienable rights does it matter whether we have them or not?

Article 1:
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.So I have the same dignity as say prince william? I have the same rights?

Article 2:
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.Do we recognise that "unlawful combatants" have these rights too?

Article 3:
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.people are prepared to give up their liberty to achieve a little security, and "security of the person" is a biggie for candians with the right birth certificates

Article 4:
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.guess that means we dont have to pay tax for services we dont use

Article 5:
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.No need to mention a word about this, I might get "inhumanely treatmented" if I say too much

Article 6:
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.Even the people who are denied the opportunity to speak in our independent courts.

Article 7:
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.police are equal to non-police before the law, and as you know anyone could have shot de menezes 7 times in the head and got away without even a manslaughter charge beng brought

Article 8:
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.And here I was thinking it was incompetent national tribunals that were responsible for violating our fundamental rights.

Article 9:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.Unless some diehard fascist has labelled you a terrorist

Article 10:
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.Crown prosecution and the crown couts definitely dont have conflict of interest here

Article 11:
1. Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.Provided the mass media dont "get at" the jury, and the accused knows their way round the legislation corrupting the law

2. No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.Thats why a NIP for a speed camera shouldnt cost any greater punishement if contested in court then?

Article 12:
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.Has everyone got their copyright infringement letters through proving that someone is interfering with our privacy and correspondence?

Article 13:
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.WOW!

2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.No one has this right, they must apply for this right at the passport office - it is not regarded as inalienable by the UK PLC = you could of course invoke a log and float to france where you would meet similar people under the same lack of rights

Article 14:
1. Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.And face getting shot as a dissident on their way out the door

2. This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.And the UN is going to stand up and call the shots when the UK PLC decides that speaking the truth is not a politial crime? You would have to be african before the UN would dare lift a finger to help you.

Article 15:
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.The UK PLC reads this to mean that its UN policy that everyone MUST have a nationality, therefore there is not statutory mechanism to reject one given to you.

2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.WOW! Lets all move to a free country like china!!!

Article 16:
1. Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.This does not extend to limitations on some disabled people.

2. Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.WOW!

3. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.Thats why there is now a babysitter industry, single parents and "deadbeatdads" (you guys really need a less sarcastic name)


Article 17:
1. Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.WOW!
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.tell that to the DVLA

Article 18:
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.WOW!

Article 19:
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.Unless its a hate crime not committed by the mass media

Article 20:
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.Its illegal to hold a assembly of 12 of more people - most birthday parties are technically illegal but they dont enforce it unless its politically convenient

2. No one may be compelled to belong to an association.Yee Hah! Bye Bye UK PLC

Article 21:
1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.Provided there are people capable of representing us, or we can afford the funds it would take to get elected

2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.Thats why the law society has the right to be heard by the court, but you only get this right granted when your on trial. Also, everyone has the duty to pay for these services even if they refuse to use them.

3. The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Article 22:
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.WOW! (in accordance)

Article 23:
1. Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.Thats going to be really exercisable now as we are encouraged to take wage drops and less favourable working conditions

2. Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.I cant put my finger on it but this is not a WOW! How do you equate two different works? Do bricklayers for Building Company A have the right to the higher wages paid by Company B - Isnt this right likely to result in a race to the bottom?

3. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.The minimum wage pays for your food and rent and not a lot else - getting no where for your labours is not just

(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.Even if the trade unions are totally ineffective

Article 24:
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.WOW! (there are illegal exceptions to this rule that happen but it is illegal in the UK so its WOW!)

Article 25:

1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.the basic needs especially medical care like dentistry is not affordable to alot of people, as for pensions, we are told we wont be getting one when we retire

2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.Ex-tory councilor and forVed adoption threads? Social protection? codswallop

Article 26:
1. Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.WOW! not so sure about the based on merit thing at the end though, unless they mean being able to afford higher education or being stupid enough to get a loan gives a person merit - thank fuck its all free now from the internet

2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.A pink floyd song is coming to mind - theres a difference between education and indoctrination

3. Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.So long as it meets the curriculum and submit and application to apply for the right to get this inalienable right they should already have... oh yeah and dont encourage the wearing of hajibs

Article 27:
1. Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.So long as you can afford it

2. Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.Tell that to EMI, RCA, SONY, ...

Article 28:
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.Oh like a world where we shouldnt expect suicide bombers to kill us thinking we support the airforce who murdered their families in iraq or some other hellhole there was no need for the PTB to create?

Article 29:
1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.Arrest that police officer for assault!!!!

2. In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.Everyone except the PTB

3. These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.they either exist or they do not

Article 30:
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.They either exist or they do not.


Synopsis:
Article 13 (parts 1 & 2), Article 16 (part 2), Article 17 (part 1), Article 18, Article 22 and Article 24 are recognised, the rest are a pile of poop as far as UK PLC are concerned.

4 and half articles our of 30 (about 18%) of a declaration that only touches the surface of our inalienable rights?

This same UK PLC is up against the taliban, baathists, iranians, chinese, north koreans, zimbabwe, and other less well known groups going on about human rights like they had a clue. Human rights for Iraqis? What about the people over here?
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Re: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Postby kazz67 » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:50 am

emmanualgoldstein wrote:A few questions and statements not so much regarding whether these rights or exist or not, but whether they are recognised in the UK or even enforced. If we are prevented from defending our inalienable rights does it matter whether we have them or not?

Article 1:
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.So I have the same dignity as say prince william? I have the same rights?


I would say yes. Isn't that what personal sovereignty is all about? Isn't the fact that the 'establishment' doesn't recognise that the reason we are all here on this forum?
We are born/created equal. It's the STATE that divides and separates us into higher or lower ranks. But fundamentally, Price William is not better a human being than you, and you are no worse than him. I'm here because I recognise that fact and wish it to be reflected more generally.

I wont go on responding to every point your making, because I think you've missed the fundametal point of the thread and of Slims posts. - It is up to US to claim the UDHR as our own, no matter what the establishment is doing.

We are, allegedly, in rebellion here, are we not?



Synopsis:
Article 13 (parts 1 & 2), Article 16 (part 2), Article 17 (part 1), Article 18, Article 22 and Article 24 are recognised, the rest are a pile of poop as far as UK PLC are concerned.

4 and half articles our of 30 (about 18%) of a declaration that only touches the surface of our inalienable rights?


As far as UK plc is concerned, WE are a pile of poop unless we are contributing to its GDP. Does that make them/it right??

This same UK PLC is up against the taliban, baathists, iranians, chinese, north koreans, zimbabwe, and other less well known groups going on about human rights like they had a clue. Human rights for Iraqis? What about the people over here?


not sure I understand your point here Emmanual? Are you suggesting that we take up arms, like the taliban and the others you mention, or that those groups are not entitled to human rights? - Either way, I would suggest your argument is flawed:
If you are suggesting we take up arms to fight for our rights, you're inviting martial law. - Just look at how those groups, and the people of those nations are treated by this country. Do you want some of that for us?
And if you are suggesting that they are somehow less deserving of human rights than we are (which I'm pretty sure you're not) then I would have to ask you to demonstrate why one group of humans is less deserving than another group of humans.



Slim,

You've provided lots of food for thought here worthy of some reflection. Thank you.



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