Unlaw full collection of monies

[GrahamS]

Hello I haven't long joined so hello.

I am self employed and have had problems paying and have missed a few payments. I have had yet another notice informing me that if I do not pay within 7 days then I will be persuade by the Magistrate's court.

My question is that as I HAVE paid in the past and am now claiming that the collection of money for the sake of council tax without a proper bill is illegal, if they play the "you paid it before" Card can I defend against this?

I am going to pay this latest bill as I am not ready to challenge it but the next few months I fully intend to build a case to challenge the council on this, with a view to prove the collection is illegal and that all payments I have made in the past have been made under false premise of owing money to the council and seek a refund of the last 6 years of payments. It may take me a year or 2 but I fully intend to try.

Also can anyone help me find the company number or parent company of my council?

Thanks

[Ben]

Hello I haven't long joined so hello.

I am self employed and have had problems paying and have missed a few payments. I have had yet another notice informing me that if I do not pay within 7 days then I will be persuade by the Magistrate's court.

My question is that as I HAVE paid in the past and am now claiming that the collection of money for the sake of council tax without a proper bill is illegal, if they play the "you paid it before" Card can I defend against this?

I am going to pay this latest bill as I am not ready to challenge it but the next few months I fully intend to build a case to challenge the council on this, with a view to prove the collection is illegal and that all payments I have made in the past have been made under false premise of owing money to the council and seek a refund of the last 6 years of payments. It may take me a year or 2 but I fully intend to try.

Also can anyone help me find the company number or parent company of my council?

Thanks

Do you want me to be honest with you

[GrahamS]

Hi Ben am I too take from your question your not about to explain how my impending success is going to come about, but tell me that I don't have a chance? Either way honesty would be nice, all views are welcomed.

[Ben]

Well yeah your right impending success is a far cry away from what will happen..

You are at the start of an on going journey, every thought you have is right.. CTax is unlawful, we are shafted every 5 mins with these arseholes that are in power.

You have been lied to your whole life about what you should believe.

You see this place is like a life story, you have to start at the beginning to get the end (if you know what i mean).

You are right at what you think with regards to council tax, but i will tell you now you will lose. You shouldn't but you will.. what you will learn in your journey is to understand the truth and when the time comes stand up and fight for it..
But at the minute you would be using the law to fight the people who created it. im not trying to piss on your bomfire, i just want to tell you the truth. You are at the start of the truth,,, in time you will see what i mean

Regards Ben..

Ooohhh yeah pay your council tax, it will be better for you in the end..

[GrahamS]

Hmm. I totally get what your saying Ben. But so many times this year money has been very tight and still is. And if it comes to spending 140 feeding my kids or paying my council tax then the decision is already made.

The day could come when I will not be able to pay at all and if that does happen then in for a penny in for pound as we say.

Twice I have had notices and its on purpose, now I will let them spend time and money chasing me and when it gets to the final minute I will pay then it all starts again. I cancelled my direct debit and I only pay when I get a notice. Make them work for it I say, why make it easy for them.....(oh crap I just realised that its all automated )

The funny thing is a did see some where a breakdown of where the money goes and a percentage goes on fresh water and drainage......HTFO didn't I just pay my water authority for that??

The truth is I would rather spend the money sanding down my balls than give it to them.

Anyway as you rightly say I am on the journey. And I will be spending a lot of time now reshaping my mentality and learning how to interact correctly with the law so that if and when the day comes that I have to confront injustice upon me directly then hopefully I will be able to handle myself.

Thanks for the reality check, I did come in quite fired up purely because since the beginning of last week I have been vigorously looking for more info after seeing John Harris 's illusion talk, would love to see more from him.

[Ben]

I understand more then you realise... and you are right kids come first,

Take the fight to them, but always remember sometimes you have to do things to provide for your family and that like everyone else comes top of the list..

We are all walking this journey, and if we want a solution, then we need to walk it together.

Dont let the basterds grind ya down.. and if you need any support. you know we are all here..

Regards ben

[legaleagle]

Just as an after thought I don't know here you live but it might be worth having a look at your councils payment terms and conditions. The reason why I say this is because you mention you have received notices from them twice and my local councils policy is that they only give you two warnings and then remove your right to pay in instalments. I have friends who where having problems, missed the payments twice and then received a bill for the full amount on the third time.

Just a thought. I hope you manage to get things sorted

[GrahamS]

Just as an after thought I don't know here you live but it might be worth having a look at your councils payment terms and conditions. The reason why I say this is because you mention you have received notices from them twice and my local councils policy is that they only give you two warnings and then remove your right to pay in instalments. I have friends who where having problems, missed the payments twice and then received a bill for the full amount on the third time.

Just a thought. I hope you manage to get things sorted

Hi Legaleagle

Apologies for not making myself clear. What i do is I ignore the Maidstone Borough Councils Deadline for payment to invoke a notice. Then I ignore the notice for as long as the notice describes then PAY. Now the notice has been satisfied and the process starts again. But the notice is not a bill. I want to send a letter to Maidstone Borough council asking them if they have to adhere to the bill of exchange act 1882 and if not where does there authority come from to demand these charges for services that i haven't been offered, as they are a co-op (or cooperation or a corporation all apply to a coordinated group of people working to the ends of a profit making organisation a legal entity)

If the Maidstone borough council approached myself and asked if i required these service at these prices WHO KNOWS I may even say yes please based on what i know i can pay.

[legaleagle]

If by notice you mean a letter saying something on the lines of "we notice from our records that your account is in arrears of the sum of £x please pay this within x days." then that is what I am talking about. Mt local council withdraw the right to pay via instalments after three of these. I am not sure if this is something other councils do, although looking at some council websites it appears they all do the same thing. Warwick councils website had one of the best explanations I have seen. You might want have a look. "http://www.warwickdc.gov.uk/WDC/Your-Council/Council+tax/What+happens+if+I+do+not+pay+my+Council+Tax+bill.htm"

And in case they can't answer your question the Local Government Finance Act 1992 is what gives them the right to collect council tax.

I hope it all gets sorted for you.