just got stopped by the old bill

[jobo]

it does seem to be not unusual on here to launch personal attack on people with a slightly different point of view, rather than actual address the issues raised

im here because i believe in lawful rebellion and a posing the oppression of the individuals by the state, in order to do that you need to have at least an appreciation of the tool they use ie statutes and how these can be circumnavigated and in fact used against the establishment. Merely denying their legitimacy doesnt help if the statute is in fact in your favour

for instance PACE contains many many things which are useful to a rebel, as does the road traffic act and indeed data protection act and the freedom of information act

these are our friends and we should know how to use them to our advantage, not deny there existence in law

The major problem with the MC( at least the first one ) is it was signed under duress and as such isnt enforceable under common law ? it has nearly all been repealed and replaced by statue, but most of the rights in it have been put into the state which replaced it, so the protection is still probably there, you just have to look for it in the statute

any appearance in a lower court where you site the MC is doomed to failure, if youve got half a mil going spare to take it to judicial review fine, but most have not

[arten]

im here because i believe in lawful rebellion and a posing the oppression of the individuals by the state, in order to do that you need to have at least an appreciation of the tool they use ie statutes and how these can be circumnavigated and in fact used against the establishment. Merely denying their legitimacy doesnt help if the statute is in fact in your favour

I really don't get you Jobo someone here states they got stopped by plod others like me are explaining how to deal with plod who are using statutes to extort monies from them. And you come in and tell them they will be arrested and that they are breaking the law. Your post are not helpful you are just confusing people especially newbies.
I repeat John Harris said You will be arrested, if you are not prepared for that then don't challenge any copper just obey them like a good little mindless robotic slave.

The Barons who got King John to sign the MC had a clause inserted saying it could never be repealed. Therefore statutes cannot do that. Another thing, we have seen by example how people should deal with both the policy enforcement officers and the courts sitting under admiralty law.
Challenge their jurisdiction refuse to enter their dock or a plea and stay on dry land. Darren Pollard did it and look what happened.

[jobo]

no you clearly dont get me

ive been arrested twice for refusing to give my name and address to police, just walking along and approached by officious PC wanting to know who i am and where im going, how ever i have a working knowledge of PACE, stop and search and stop and account. and therefore knew that i would be released with out charge because i had broken no statute

If how ever i had been riding my bike with no light and done the same then i would have been arrested and quite possibly charged and convicted of obstruction, if id refused to have given my name

do you see the difference, one) I waisted a lot of police time, got a letter of apology of the CC and hopefully got the PC in question a rollicking

two) id would have ended up with a criminal record and a large fine
for doing the same thing in different circumstances

if your going to encourage people to breech statute and put there liberty at risk you really ought to tell them the consequences, or alternatively tell them how to play the system

[arten]

You do not get it do you, riding a bike without lights is not breaking any Law. It may break their statutes but they are not laws. You telling people differently is not helping the cause and I for one believe you are here to confuse people.
If you are not on our side either refrain from posting or sling your hook you are not welcome here.

[jobo]

well im obviously confusing you

i didnt say laws i said statutes, i deliberately said that so you wouldnt pump out that lot above, ah well best laid plans

it matter not, if its a breech of statute or common law, your still locked in a cell, your still going to fail a CBR check, they might end up loosing their jobs their homes

just cause you want them to fight your battles for you

wheres your action, wheres you criminal record for opposing oppression, no thought not your just theory arnt you, getting others to do your dirty work

im prepared to actually fight the system not just talk about it

[arten]

well im obviously confusing you

No you are confusing yourself which is why I implore youfrom giving advice on the board. Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. I seriously believe you are an agent of disinformation.

i didnt say laws i said statutes, i deliberately said that so you wouldnt pump out that lot above, ah well best laid plans

We are not willing to abide by Statutes which you are recommending so I ask you again why are you posting here.

The Freeman movement is about living under Common Law, not Statutes.

All your other crap is not worthy of comment I have already pointed out to you that John Harris stated in his talks you are likely to get arrested. That does not mean the people being arrested are wrong.
Personally If I was controlling this board I would ban you Jobo you are clearly working for the other side.

[Jargon buster]

Arten wrote
Personally If I was controlling this board I would ban you Jobo you are clearly working for the other side.

Good job your not then isnt it.

Stop trying to restrict free speech and let people post their opinions.
Disagreeing with you doesnt mean someone is wrong

Regards JB

[jobo]

well im obviously confusing you

No you are confusing yourself which is why I implore youfrom giving advice on the board. Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. I seriously believe you are an agent of disinformation.

i didnt say laws i said statutes, i deliberately said that so you wouldnt pump out that lot above, ah well best laid plans

We are not willing to abide by Statutes which you are recommending so I ask you again why are you posting here.

The Freeman movement is about living under Common Law, not Statutes.

All your other crap is not worthy of comment I have already pointed out to you that John Harris stated in his talks you are likely to get arrested. That does not mean the people being arrested are wrong.
Personally If I was controlling this board I would ban you Jobo you are clearly working for the other side.

im not recommending statues in general, the latest raft are just designed to suppress freedom of movement and freedom speech and Im actively fighting them to the best of my ability

to repeat my point which your not accepting
getting arrested is very unpleasant, knowing your right under statute is very useful if you are arrested, getting arrested and then charged and convicted is not a clever thing to do, unless your life style supports such. giving people advice, that will end up in them being arrested, charged and convicted with out telling them that is what is likely to happen, is grossly negligent on your part.

you talk a good game, have you been arrested on a matter of principal, until you have dont encourage others to do so, there are better ways to fight the system than doing time