An odd encounter with plod [the real ones this time]

[Lovesponge00]

Hi all, just wanted to thank everyone that replied to my last post again, it's appreciated. So here we go again, another strange and a little unnerving encounter with plod.

Let me just say, i have done ALOT of prison so i am by no means new to encountering the police however, since I have been investigating the powers that be and trying to get to the bottom of the fascist agenda that seems to be going on, in my studies i've come across all kinds of theories, from the Annunaki to Satan worship to MKULTRA and project monarch (the butterfly net) and project artichoke, i've read up on the Illuminati and listened to folk like Alex Jones(who i consider to be just a scaremonger) and Bill Cooper and many other bits and bobs, some i believe and some i don't, but it all points toward the same thing.I have my own idea's but here is not the place for that, my point is, is that through all my years as a flat out junkie i never experienced getting stopped by the police like i am now that i don't mix in those circles or commit crime. Very odd.

So, I am again cycling through the center of Bristol, on the road at a leisurely pace when a police sirens klaxon call pierces the air and something is going down, the police car i heard zoomed past me around a roundabout, skidded to a halt and another cyclist went steaming past them and an officer emerged from the vehicle and began to take after this fella on the bike, he is going fast! I watch them run into the general direction i am heading toward and thought to myself i might even get a look at them catching this fella, little did i know.....So a few minutes later i arrive at the entrance of Castle park and the policeman i witnessed chasing the cyclist was on his haunches gasping for breath and doing his shoe lace up after obviously failing to catch the suspect. I at no time was cycling at speed or acted furtively just normal and peaceful like when he looks up, see's me and proceeds to make me stop! He says they (police) have had a report of a stolen bicycle and the geezer fits my description, HUH!!? I pointed out the guy he was just chasing was in all honesty more than likely the perpetrator and how obvious that was. He then went on to say that under blah blah blah act he was stopping me and going to conduct a search because of this bike theft, by this time i was off my bike and they had relieved me of it for the moment, I voiced by opinion on the matter and asked the 2nd officer who had appeared to take note of my protestation, she didn't. They then went on to make me feel like a criminal by making me empty my pockets etc. They even checked my cap!!! After finding nothing they charge me with they had no choice but to let me on my way but during all this time they didn't ask me 1 question about my bike!!!

This seems a blatant misuse of powers to me, an opportunistic excuse to search anyone they pleased at that time, it was obvious i had nothing to do with whatever had occurred.

Is this legal?

[Jargon buster]

Legal yes
Lawful No

Regards JB

[whizzer]

Well I may not be a lawyer but I don't think it was lawful OR legal, having lost the original suspect who showed probable guilt by actively evading the police he couldn't just assume that every other person on a bike is a possible suspect, therefor he had no reasonable excuse to stop anyone cycling by peacefully going about their own business and certainly no right to search them.
I would have taken their number and made a complaint, which I would have followed up on to ensure he was disciplined for his conduct AND placed on his record. If everyone filed complaints about such infringements of our rights and ensured the complaints are followed up eventually they will realise that they are accountable for their actions.

[Jargon buster]

The reason I said legal yes was that the stop and search within pace would have allowed him to stop him.
The justification was that he would say is that "I believe he could have stolen the bike"

I know what actually happened does not reflect this but again you are dealing with plod.

Regards JB

[whizzer]

Jesus!!! I just went and read the PACE code and it is unbe-fricken- lievable they have covered themselves in everyway possible to the point of it looking like a joke, check this out....


3.2 The co-operation of the person to be searched must be sought in every case, even if
the person initially objects to the search. A forcible search may be made only if it has
been established that the person is unwilling to co-operate or resists. Reasonable
force may be used as a last resort if necessary to conduct a search or to detain a
person or vehicle for the purposes of a search.

..so basically they are saying that they must seek co-operation from the individual to be searched, "co-operation" being amongst other things consenting to being searched, BUT refusing consent to be searched can be classed as being unwilling therefor forced search is justified..WTF!!

[AlanCraig]

Well write to your politicians lol....like that will do anything.

This is an interesting scenario though. The cops are acting like gods. They are becoming lawless in my opinion.
Ok so your story is fine. I don't think you should have got off your bike to be honest. You should have used the old law that states you feel threated for your life by the police if you get off. It is used sometimes. I wish I could recall the name right now. Especially IF a policeman/officer uses force against someone who is presumed "innocent" until proven guilty.

I believe that if he had no hard evidence and can't provide the evidence at hand then it is not lawful or legal search. You also have to be polite and say that you don't consent any searches and are you obligied to get off the bike. Then ask him if you are allowed to go and wish him a nice day.

Don't quote me on any of the above but research it yourself.

Yesterday I walked up the a street in the centre town, Hamilton, and in the space of 10 meters along a one way street. 3 policemen off their motorbikes had stopped 3 people and were bending down in their windows with pen and paper and most likely booking them for sitting in at drop off points marked out in this one way road. Ok fair enough you can only stop and drop someone off, but it was sickening to see policemen acting like traffic wardens instead of fighting crime. All the 3 vehicles all stopped relatively close to each other, the drivers didn't seem too happy at all. It was as if they set up to come down on them just to serve out fines. It was quite sickening to see. It was like they were going up the whole street car by car to get people. I suppose taking a picture would have presented this information better, but trust me it is a site you would have expected in China.

[Lovesponge00]

..."but trust me it is a site you would have expected in China."

From what I've been reading and watching I'm fairly certain China is the "model" society. It has received more IMF loans and commendations than any other country, how odd! They were offered these "loans" in exchange for their 1 child family rule being enforced if what i read is accurate.

As for my incident with plod it did seem totally extraordinary the way this fella just seemed to jump on the nearest cyclist in order to somehow get a "result" by hook or by crook. This is the type of society we live in where the police are driven by numbers, they would rather give out 50 fines than solve 1 mugging because the "numbers" are more impressive, that's how it seems to me.

My only problem is maintaining an air of cordiality, it seems these people are highly skilled in provoking a reaction, but this is my only obstacle, i don't fear them which I'm sure they would prefer. Just gotta keep my cool and also the inconvenience of it is a big weapon of theirs, who wants to go to the cells when they could just comply? I just hope more people stand up for there rights and soon!

Cheers.