Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Masons talking about saturn on their forum

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Some of our ancient poems ties the founding of freemasonry to the masons who built the tower of Bable. During those times the world was said to be of one nation, one people, one language. Some of the olden day brothers living during the age of Enlightenment say that our Masonic King Solomon's Temple is a veiled Tower of Bable...after all we all come from very different backgrounds, profess different beliefs, are of different nationalities, have different political view points...but yet we have all come together as brother masons to built something...something big, a Temple Not Made With Hands Eternal In The Heaven...where each of us, a refined living stone of this Temple. Most of us never ask what it is that we are building.

In Genesis God looks down and notices humanity has come together and was building the Tower of Babel to reach heaven and God said to himself and the angels - Behold, mankind is united as one, and united they build this tower, if they remain united anything will be possible for them...and god divided mankind and the vision was lost.

This isn't the only instance in Freemasonry where some sort of a old world, or one world, or paradise is silently alluded to. There are others tied to and hidden into the symbolism of our Order.

The Pillars Boaz and Jachin were said by our ancient legend to have been built before the Deluge, within which were placed the divine wisdom of art and science. The world before the Deluge was said to be a perfect world, so perfect that mankind grew idle after a while and became corrupt.

The strangest of all is perhaps the ancient legend attached to the biblical Tubal Cain, an important figure in our rituals. We never really ask WHY whoever put Freemasonry together used the WORDs and TOKENs they put in Freemasonry. Most just accept them as passwords arbitrarily lifted out of the bible...but what are the odds that a third password is associated with a paradise or perfect world?

The legend of Tubal Cain says that an angel had approached him long before the flood was to take place and spoke to him and told him that in the days of Jared God will deliver a great flood to consume and purify this world because this world will grow corrupt. In Tubal Cain's time the world was perfect, a paradise. The angel had told Tubal Cain that God has forsaken him and his line because he was the descendant of the cursed Cain, who murdered his brother Able, and that his people would not survive the flood, but be wiped out.

Tubal Cain was King of his own Kingdom. His forefather Cain, when he left for Nod became the first Builder and built a City-kingdom which he named after his first born - Enoch. And Tubal Cain inherited the throne of the Kingdom of Enoch. Tubal Cain had plans in mind, his line and his people was going to survive, and he would make sure of it. Tubal cain gathered every abled body person in his Kingdom and he and his people began digging. Tubal Cain became the Chief Architect of large underground networks of tunnels and a city he built deep underground to shelter his people from the flood. The project took many generations no doubt, and during which time he caused to be erected land marks on the surface of his kingdom to testify to the world that his kingdom was once there. His people survived.

Its a odd legend...underground cities and tunnels...is it just a legend thoe?
In Turkey archaeologists have discovered something call "VARs". The word VAR in turkish means an underground city. The Vars in turkey were very old and were built by a people living during a time before the last ice age. There have been over 30 Vars discovered in Turkey, all interconnected by networks of tunnel, but only one has fully been excavated. This single Var can comfortably shelter 25,000 people in it.

What do underground cities have to do with Freemasonry? Probable nothing really; but it seems to have a lot to do with Masonry or the cyclopean structures built around the earth. There were three ancient civilizations on the earth that built giant temples and structures in relatively the same time and all within the same zone - between the tropics of Capricorn and Cancer. Egypt, the Khmer Empire of Cambodia, and the Maya. All three culture have legends that their founder or first people emerged out of an underground tunnel.

Egypt is connected to Tubal Cain. To this day in Arabic the Pyramids of Egypt are still called "the Pillars of Enoch." There is one other thing these three cultures have in common, something very strange. All three cultures when they built their monuments "locked" the SAME YEAR and date in stone.

The pyramids in Egypt, and there are more than 3 scattered across Egypt forms the constellation Orion - associated in egypt with Osiris. Each pyramid corresponding to a star in this constellation. The three Great Pyramids are orion's belt. The 3 pyramids are built very close to the Nile River in a certain position relative to it. But at night if we observe the stars of Orion and the Blue Nile (Milky Way) both don't line up to their earthly counterpart? A man by the name of Graham Handcock noticed this and used a computer program to see what date he came up with if he turned the sky back in time when each star in Orion lined up to each pyramid. The date was 10,500 BC. In that same year the Milky Way lined up with the Nile, and the Sphinx stared at its celestial counterpart every morning - Leo. 10,500BC, when Leo was in the east...or when the sun was in the house of Leo was the Age of Leo...the same age our ancient poems and legend says Freemasonry was founded.

In Cambodia was have the Angkor Temple complex. Each Temple in this complex corresponds to each Star in the constellation Draco. Handcock twisted the sky back in time and found out that in the same year - 10,500bc, all the stars in Draco lined up perfectly with the Khmer Temples.

The three large pyramids in in Yucatan built by the Mayans are coincidently also the stars in Orion's belt. It was found that in the same year - 10,500 BC, the stars in Orions belt line up perfectly with the three mani pyramids in the Yucatan.

What are the odds that one day in ancient times 3 very different culture, separated by thousands of miles, suddenly decides to expend all there man power, and money, and waste many generations of time to build seemingly useless cyclopean structure...and all three locked the same time in stone?

You're probably thinking to your selves my brothers - this is all really interesting, but what the hell does it have to do with our fraternity, our MASONIC fraternity???

We are told that our ancestors built the Gothic Cathedrals in Europe. It was Saint Bernard - the guy that helped found the Templars that actually came up with the new form of architecture we now call the Gothic Style. And it was Templars who supplied the money to built these structure, working with a band of Stone Masons who called themselves the Sons of Solomon. Each Gothic Cathedral in France lines up with the stars in the constellation VIRGO.

Now we saw that "Boaz" and "Jachin" are associated with a predeluge world. We saw that our man "Tubal Cain" is not only associated with a predeluge world, but built really big structures in the ground and on the surface. We saw that the "Pillars of Enoch" lines up with Orion...locking in the date 10,500BC. I will show you now how the Gothic Cathedrals in France and its celetial counterpart VIRGO ties into our Order: VIRGO holds in her right hand a sprig, or a branch (Virgo is the Virgin that weeps by the broken pillar in the monument erected to Hiram). This sprig is the star Spica. By the way, our olden brothers that built Washinton DC made sure that every building and structure in DC was built with Spica in certain key positions in the sky. That sprig she holds in Arabic culture is a shaft of wheat called SUNBULLAH - meaning a SHAFT OF WHEAT. In Hebrew SUNBULLAH is "SHIBOLETH" meaning a shaft of wheat or ear of corn (corn in britain is grain, they call our corn maze). Each brother should recognize Shiboleth and know what it means...

So, what are the odds that all FOUR of these words are associated with the same theme of predeluge worlds, lost paradises, megalithic structures lined up with geometric temples? And if you take a closer look at our Square and Compass you see the same theme. The Compass - Heaven; the Square earth...or as Jesus put it (which he got from the Egyptian Hermes): As above (heaven): so below (earth)...which alludes to the stars in heaven lining up with its earthly counterpart...and even our Solomon's Temple has its celestial counterpart...THAT HOUSE NOT MADE WITH HANDS, ETERNAL IN THE HEAVENS.

Now we will go deeper into Freemasonry and take a look at Father Time that stands behind the Virgin counting the ringlets of her hai, as she weeps over the broken collomn. He is Cronos or Saturn. The shape of our conjoined Square and Compass or interlocked V's forms the old SIGIL OF SATURN. And there is one more sign associated with Saturn in our Fraternity: the Triple Tau found in the Royal Arch Degree. It looks like a capital T and capital H conjoined. The triple tau cross during the age of Enlightenment in europe was associated with saturn; and if we lowercase the H and T we instantly see a recognizable astrological sign - the astrological sign for the planet saturn. Our Square is a superface square, and the compass encircles the square with a circle. the square in a circle is a hieroglyph. The square is a city, the circle a wall. The old Persian word for a Walled City is PARADIS where we get our word paradise from obviously. The Roman god Saturn was associated with a paradise world called The Golden Age. I have some quotes of Saturns Golden Age here for you to read:

Saturn's Golden Age. Saturn is the Roman god of agriculture concerned with the sowing of the seeds. He is regarded as the father of Jupiter, Ceres, Juno and many others. His wife is the goddess Ops. Jupiter supposedly chased him away and he was taken in by the god Janus in Latium where he introduced agriculture and viniculture. This event heralded a period of peace, happiness and prosperity, the Golden Age. Alchemical lead represents the planet Saturn, and it corresponding metal, lead. Alchemically, lead was the prima matera, or primal matter, from whence matter is born, and represented putrification and decay.


A golden age is a temporal term originated from early Greek and Roman poets. The term refers to a time when mankind lived in a utopia and was pure and/or immortal. It usually ends with a devastating event, identified to the Fall of Man. Some Utopianist beliefs, both political and religious, hold that the Golden Age will return.


The age that man later called the Age of Kronos (Saturn) was remembered with nostalgia as an age of bliss. References to the Age of Kronos in the ancient lore are very numerous.

Hesiod tells of:


A golden race of mortal men who lived in the time of Kronos when he was reigning in heaven. And they lived like gods without sorrow of heart, remote and free from toil: miserable age rested not on them . . . The fruitful earth unforced bare them fruit abundantly and without stint. They dwelt in ease and peace upon their lands with many good things. . . .

Similarly writes Ovid in the sixth book of his Metamorphoses:


In the beginning was the Golden Age, when men of their own accord, without threat of punishment, without laws, maintained good faith and did what was right. . . . The earth itself, without compulsion, untouched by the hoe, unfurrowed by any share, produced all things spontaneously. . . . It was a season of everlasting spring.

Rabbinical sources recount that men lived under very favorable conditions before the Deluge, and that these contributed to their sinfulness: “They knew neither toil nor care and as a consequence of their extraordinary prosperity they grew insolent.

". . . before the Cretan king, Dictaean Jove, held sway and an impious age of men began to feast on slaughtered oxen, this life was led on earth by golden Saturn, when none had ever heard the trumpet blown or heard the sword-blade clanking on the anvil." [Virgil, Georgics 2.534]

There was first a golden race of mortal men who lived in the time of Cronos when he was reigning in heaven. They lived like gods without sorrow or toil, and they did not know Old Age. And although they died, it was as if they were overcome with sleep. It is said that the earth, unforced, bare them fruit abundantly and yielded, without compulsion all needful things. For spring was everlasting, streams of milk and nectar flowed, and honey was distilled from the oak.

This Golden Age is described as the first age which compelled no one, kept faith and did the right. Men dwelt in ease and peace upon their lands with many good things and loved by the gods. There was no law and therefore no fear of punishment. There were no cities, no swords or helmets, no foreign nations were attacked in war, nor did anyone sail over the seas. During this time, to mark the land with private bounds would have been wrong since men worked for the common store.

Some have said that during this age of Cronos all the parts of the universe were divided in regions, each ruled by a different god. There were no wild creatures and the animals, being ruled by divine shepherds, did not eat one another. In the same way, there was no war among men, for they were ruled by a high deity. There were no states or families; and since they all came to life coming out of the earth and with no memory of their previous lives, they did not possess wives nor did they have any children. At this time, the universe revolved backwards; and, the climate being tempered, the men of this age lived in the open air without clothing, receiving from the earth all they needed although they did not work in agriculture. And since the universe revolved backwards they became younger as they lived.

At this time Justice had not yet left the Earth; and when she did, she planted her last footprints among those who cherished an easy livelihood, and kept themselves away from the clash of arms and the palaces with arrogant portals. For those who live in peace and innocence, worship the gods, feel reverence for Old Age, and have for leisure what nature and earth generously provide, resemble the men of the Golden Age.

This is what the Golden Age has been credited with, and that is why men of other ages talk of a "golden age" whenever they remember any advantageous circumstances of the past, be it a low rate of crime, low taxes, or higher profit. But were they asked whether they believe in the Golden Age of Man, most of them would refuse it credence; for a man of his times can only regard other ages as products of imagination. And yet they might show themselves ready to listen to promises such as this one:

"This is he . . . who shall again set up the Golden Age amid the fields where Saturn once reigned. . ." [Virgil, Aeneid 6.790]


So now even our Square and Compass is associated with Paradise and a Predeluvian world. During Saturns riegn the earth was said to have been perfect: her axis was said to be a perfect PERPENDICULAR (the Plumb) and not tilted; her plane of orbit said to be perfectly SQUARE (the masters Square); her equator was said to be perfectly LEVEL (the SW's tool). In this condition there was only on season - eternal spring. But sadly Saturn lost his throne and the Golden Age was lost.

Our Order and Ritual says that the secrets of a Master Mason are lost until a future age will discover it. What we lost was Paradise, and the innocent nature each man had in his soul and heart which made the Golden Age possible. The olden day Masons in Europe were all Utopianists, who were tired of the oppression, and rule of priest and king. We are "Masons" not because we ever actually built anything, nor are builders now; we are "Masons" because we are building or rebuilding what we lost, wherein each of us is a living stone...a refined, perfect and polishes ashlar. This is the "Great Work." Our olden brothers back in europe were also "Alchemists." They were no crazy guys believing that they could actually turn lead into gold. It is a social alchemy, an alchemy of the heart and soul. To turn the Lead (which is associated with saturn) of our present condition, in heart and society, to Gold, that is to say a nother Golden Age. And look closely at world history, you will see the fingerprints of Freemasons in almost every significant affair...especially the founding of America.


Both TubalCain and Hiram Abiff in the Bible were actually associated with metal, and Metallurgy...they were "WORKERS IN BRASS." Like Vulcan was a "WORKER OF METAL". It seem strange that a guild of stone masons and brick layers should make blacksmiths or hammermen central figures in their ritual. A "worker in metal" is another way to say an alchemist. And what actually has the power to turn Lead into Gold? The Philosopher's Stone, said to be a white Cube...our Perfect Ashlar...and the CUBE is associated also with Saturn.

Now for the North Pole alluded to in our Dark North Side. It is probably the most strangest legend I have ever read or encountered, but it has many coincidental parallels with Freemasonry. Remember the Temple our ritual describes was located so far north of the ecliptic that the sun couldn't reach it and when the sun was at meridian height, it was way south as the sun is south in our lodge. This Temple our ritual speaks of is a different Solomon's Temple, one in the north pole, not the one in jerusalem. The latin word TEMPLI HIEROSALIMA has two meanings, "Temple of Jerusalem" or "Temple of the Holy Mound." What Solomon's Temple is located in the north pole? Or is there any legend and or even story of a Temple being in the North Pole? And is there a symbol of any kind in Freemasonry that is associated with the North Pole? There is...or was.

The Big Dipper which revolves around Polaris looks like a Square. This Polar Square is a Swastika if you consider its stations in the cardinal points. The swastika was actually a symbol used in the Royal Arch degree before the Nazis came. It was retired from use for obvious reasons after they came. The Masonic swastica represents a double S (SS)...yet another sad thing were once shared with the nazis. Our double S stood for two things related to Freemasonry: Sanctum Sanctorum (Holy of Holies) which is the Chamber where we were made Master Masons and which housed the Ark; And it stood for "SIGILLUM SOLOMANIS"Â which means the Mark or Sign of Solomon...which is the swastika itself. Coincidently SS in german is SWARTS SON which mean Black Sun. The Black Son is a title of Saturn. This sigil of solomon represented the north pole. the same constellation in the Vedas is called Tula meaning a Balance or Scale and is said to represent the North Pole in the Vedis Scriptures. Why would a Mark of Solomon be associated with the North Pole, and why would our Temple of Solomon be associated with the same region? We'll have to search for the answers in Arabia where there is a legend concerining 72 King "Salumiens" who ruled the race of Djin from their throne in the north pole, before man was created.

The legend is from the ancient arabic and semetic cultures. It is said that during a time before man walk the earth a race of beings of light called DJIN came to the earth. This race of Djin were not physical creatures like we are, but made of light. The legend says that they dwelled on the earth for a while in peace, as the longer they stayed the more denser their bodies became until they had become semiphysical and hermaphrodites, being both male and female. They were huge giants and they first dwelled in the North Pole. They had a King called the SALUMEIN. As they became more dense, they began to shrink in size becoming smaller. The legend says that they loved to build, and spent their time erecting huge megalithic structures around the earth. It is said that during the reign of one of their Salumeins that they gathered to erect a great Temple in the north, as a landmark to let a future age know that they once dwelled here. They had plans on leaving the earth before they became completely phisical. 72 Salumeins reign the earth before they left. During the reign of the 72 Salumein, this King decided to create Humans, as a living and walking land Mark of their race, who once walked the earth. King Salumein took his lesser djin and divided them into male and female. These were the first humans. In the begining these humans were also very large and semiphisical. King Salumein taught them Law, Right Comduct, taught them how to build cities, haw to farm, and established a brotherhood of sorts of men who would inherit the earth. This association of men were the builders, whose leader would take the throne of the Salumein when they left. The purpose of this association was to keep and preserve the peace and paradise order of the earth; lest paradise be lost to currupt men. And as time passed the djin left the earth, and gave it to mankind as a home. Paradise in the hands of these humans was not to last long.

Their is another legend in Judea about King Solomon and Hiram Abiff concerning the Queen of Sheba. She was married to King Solomon, but later fell in love with Hiram Abiff, and he, forgetting his love and brotherhood with Solomon, loved her back. Out of Jealousy Solomon secretly had three craftsmen murder Hiram...this fable is echoed in the story of the Quest of the Holy Grail, remember when King Arthur got married to Gwenevier. She and Lancelot got together, and nearly broke the roundtable up. The ancient arabic legend also tells a story similar to this.

The Human King Salumein who ruled in the North married a wife who was beautiful. His blood brother and the queen fell in love, and soon the king and his brother were at each others throats...and the world divided into two camps and the first war was fought on the earth. The brotherhood of man was lost ever since than.

This legend sound rediculous...giant spirit creature from stars descending and solidifying into what we now are, living in the North Pole...but concider these strange coincidences:

There is a race of white eskimoes living in Green Land who call themselves the Thule people. The say there ancient ancestors came from the north pole. The Thule say that they came to green Land long ago by emerging out of an underground tunnel. This tribe gave the germans the word THULE. Another tribe of people living in Greece and Turkey called the SALYMI also say that their ancestors came from the north pole. And the oldest written Scriptures in the world - the Veda say that the race of man originated in the north pole. The chinese word for man even today is still JIN. And even though the 72 bricks on the back of our dollar bill may represent the 72 names of the SHEMHAMPHORASH it may also allude to the 72 Salumeins, who built a temple in the North Pole...

We will never truely know just how old Freemasonry really is. there is an ancient society in China called the HUNGTIHUI; which was around long before the birth of our first Grand Lodge; meaning the society of heaven and earth. They meet in square lodges, have an atltar at the center of their meeting places, their north side is also dark, their lodges are ruled by a Master and 2 wardens; they have 3 initiation grade. They founded the republic of China. It's first Prime Minister was a HUNGMAN, as they are called. The salutaion sign of thier first grade is made by placing the left hand infront of the stomach and the right hand over the left, the fingertips grasping each other...its the same sugn you see in old kung fu movies...and represents Heaven united with Earth...compare this to our own Duegaurd in the first Degree. the HUNGTIHUI say they came from an ancient group of people who built the pyramids in china...did you know china has pyramids in it bigger than egypt's? The largest pyramid in the world is actually in Tibet. Tibetan monks around the region close to this pyramid have been notice wearing a square and compass on their saphron orange robes by english travelers back in the days, on the right shoulder. The hung society also uses the square and compass. During the communist revolution in China the Hung Society split into two, one remaining essencially like Freemasonry actually calling itself "Chinese Freemasonry;" and the other became the Chinise Triad...the Chinises Mafia. There is a whole lot of Mystery in Freemasonry. Most of us look for masonic history in only a few places like england and judea...but if you look further than that you will see very strange and wonderful coincidenses that speaks of the antiquity of Freemasonry.



Of Leng in Ye Cold Waste (Necronomicon) The Dark Temple in the North.

What man knoweth Kadath? For who shall know of that which ever abides in strange-time, twix yesterday, today and the morrow. Unknown amidst ye Cold Waste lieth the mountain of Kadath where upon the hidden summit an Onyx Castle stands. Dark clouds shroud the mighty peak that gleams 'neath ancient stars where silent brood the titan towers and rear forbidden walls. Cursed runes guard the nighted gate carved by forgotten hands, and woe to he that dare pass within those dreadful doors. Earth's Gods revel where Others once walked in mystic timeless halls, which some have glimpst in sleeps dim vault through strange and sightless eyes."
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>What do underground cities have to do with Freemasonry?

In the mysteries of the Widow Isis, the candidate is taken to the underworld to meet the gods infernal face to face

There are also arguments that the human race having evolved to have difficulties in seeing in bright or dim light and to have problems with exposure to the sun may not have been developed on the surface.


>Father Time that stands behind the Virgin counting the ringlets of her hair, as she weeps over the broken column.

This may be an American account of the Widow Isis weeping over the pillar made from the tree that contains the body of Osiris

>the secrets of a Master Mason are lost until a future age will discover it. What we lost was Paradise, and the innocent nature each man had in his soul and heart which made the Golden Age possible.

I am not sure that those two losses are identical or even coincidental.

Considering the repetition of the ladder in various degrees in Masonry it might be that the metaphysical (as compared with alchemical) secret of the MM consists in the ability to ascend the ladder and pass the Tyler of the Temple in the Heavens

>a living stone...a refined, perfect and polishes ashlar. This is the "Great Work."

That may well be so once we have discovered the nature of the edifice for which the ashlars are being prepared

>Coincidently SS in german is SWARTS SON which mean Black Sun. The Black Son is a title of Saturn.

And it may well be that the Nazis followed the Logos of Saturn rather than the Solar Logos. The Logos of Saturn is of course the Grim Reaper who has his own agendas for Earth

>the left hand infront of the stomach and the right hand over the left, the fingertips grasping each other...its the same sugn you see in old kung fu movies...and represents Heaven united with Earth...compare this to our own Dueguard in the first Degree.

I think you will find that their sign is to conserve energy while the EA due guard acts as a wave guide to incoming energy - when it occasionally comes

>that which ever abides in strange-time, twix yesterday, today and the morrow.

Masonry operates on a different energy-consciousness stream and is not intended to interact with those interstitial entities who underpin the mechanics of dense manifestation. This is because the brethren are to contribute to the light body of the heavenly father.

cheers

Russell












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« Reply #2 on Feb 9, 2008, 6:48pm »

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>What do underground cities have to do with Freemasonry?

In the mysteries of the Widow Isis, the candidate is taken to the underworld to meet the gods infernal face to face

There are also arguments that the human race having evolved to have difficulties in seeing in bright or dim light and to have problems with exposure to the sun may not have been developed on the surface.


>Father Time that stands behind the Virgin counting the ringlets of her hair, as she weeps over the broken column.

This may be an American account of the Widow Isis weeping over the pillar made from the tree that contains the body of Osiris

>the secrets of a Master Mason are lost until a future age will discover it. What we lost was Paradise, and the innocent nature each man had in his soul and heart which made the Golden Age possible.

I am not sure that those two losses are identical or even coincidental.

Considering the repetition of the ladder in various degrees in Masonry it might be that the metaphysical (as compared with alchemical) secret of the MM consists in the ability to ascend the ladder and pass the Tyler of the Temple in the Heavens

>a living stone...a refined, perfect and polishes ashlar. This is the "Great Work."

That may well be so once we have discovered the nature of the edifice for which the ashlars are being prepared

>Coincidently SS in german is SWARTS SON which mean Black Sun. The Black Son is a title of Saturn.

And it may well be that the Nazis followed the Logos of Saturn rather than the Solar Logos. The Logos of Saturn is of course the Grim Reaper who has his own agendas for Earth

>the left hand infront of the stomach and the right hand over the left, the fingertips grasping each other...its the same sugn you see in old kung fu movies...and represents Heaven united with Earth...compare this to our own Dueguard in the first Degree.

I think you will find that their sign is to conserve energy while the EA due guard acts as a wave guide to incoming energy - when it occasionally comes

>that which ever abides in strange-time, twix yesterday, today and the morrow.

Masonry operates on a different energy-consciousness stream and is not intended to interact with those interstitial entities who underpin the mechanics of dense manifestation. This is because the brethren are to contribute to the light body of the heavenly father.

cheers

Russell














Brother Russ, I'm impressed. I know I will learn a lot from you. Its almost as if we can bounce and feed off of each other. I like this. I did not know about man perhaps not evolving on the surface. This is very interesting.

I've thought about this before, but ended up rejecting the idea because there would be nothing to eat underground... no light means no plants, no plants means no animals. But....

I read something curious once about light and plants. This books stated that the sun gives off an unknown energy which is the real ''food'' that plants live of of, and this energy (Orgone as Reich calls it) behaves like electricity and can travel thru metal and gold...

So one day i did a little experiment. I got 3 marijuana seedlings in different pots. I placed on in the sun, on in a box in my closet without light; and another also in a box without light, but this third one I made something for it...

I took a semiprecious metal (copper) wire and made coils at each end. one coil was flat which I placed in the sunlight to collect this unknown energy; the other coil i made like a cone shaped frame tapering at the top, making sure that the bare copper touched the "aura" of the plant. Then I waited.

The plant in the sunlight of course grew big. The one deprived of sunlight withered and died. But oddly, the third plant in the dark with the wires lived.

I remember reading once that native americans dislike mining the earth for gold and metals because they believe that these are Mother Earth's veins...

I thought about all the veins of metal, copper, gold, and silver ore, that criss crossed the crust of the earth...
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>but ended up rejecting the idea because there would be nothing to eat underground

The "Smoky God" is a reference to the supposed light source in the underworld

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/moden ... eSmok.html

>behaves like electricity and can travel thru metal and gold

I have read that wires can carry the essentials of sunlight to plants in darkness

There may also be some essentials in starlight - containing the patterns for unfoldment for the plants at least

>these are Mother Earth's veins.

There also fluids in the Earth that are significant to the functioning of that entity

One of the functions of diamonds is to insulate some external energies from the functions of the planet - rather like a cyst. Digging up diamonds in South Africa, for example, has led to the release of those disturbing energies.

Oil in the Middle East is also related to storage of energy disturbances in the solar system. Those energies are primarily impacts from activities of the Grim Reaper (Logos of Saturn) and the God of War (Logos of Mars). Both are officers in the temple in the heavens

Cheers

Russell





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Quote:So now even our Square and Compass is associated with Paradise and a Predeluvian world. During Saturns riegn the earth was said to have been perfect: her axis was said to be a perfect PERPENDICULAR (the Plumb) and not tilted; her plane of orbit said to be perfectly SQUARE (the masters Square); her equator was said to be perfectly LEVEL (the SW's tool). In this condition there was only on season - eternal spring. But sadly Saturn lost his throne and the Golden Age was lost.




Even one of our rituals refers to a predeluvian world 'where there was no darkness' and the VSL did not exist. Your story might explain the VSL's replacement.

I found your piece very interesting.

Russell, why would the Golden Age and happiness reign during the rule of a 'Dark Lord' as you say .... doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #5 on Feb 11, 2008, 2:48am »

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Quote:The shape of our conjoined Square and Compass or interlocked V's forms the old SIGIL OF SATURN. And there is one more sign associated with Saturn in our Fraternity: the Triple Tau found in the Royal Arch Degree. It looks like a capital T and capital H conjoined. The triple tau cross during the age of Enlightenment in europe was associated with saturn; and if we lowercase the H and T we instantly see a recognizable astrological sign - the astrological sign for the planet saturn.



Can our image maker extroadinaire, Tamrin, image this for us please?

This explanation is a first for me.. how extraordinary.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #6 on Feb 11, 2008, 2:58am »

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Quote:The legend is from the ancient arabic and semetic cultures. It is said that during a time before man walk the earth a race of beings of light called DJIN came to the earth. This race of Djin were not physical creatures like we are, but made of light. The legend says that they dwelled on the earth for a while in peace, as the longer they stayed the more denser their bodies became until they had become semiphysical and hermaphrodites, being both male and female. They were huge giants and they first dwelled in the North Pole. They had a King called the SALUMEIN. As they became more dense, they began to shrink in size becoming smaller. The legend says that they loved to build, and spent their time erecting huge megalithic structures around the earth. It is said that during the reign of one of their Salumeins that they gathered to erect a great Temple in the north, as a landmark to let a future age know that they once dwelled here. They had plans on leaving the earth before they became completely phisical. 72 Salumeins reign the earth before they left. During the reign of the 72 Salumein, this King decided to create Humans, as a living and walking land Mark of their race, who once walked the earth. King Salumein took his lesser djin and divided them into male and female. These were the first humans. In the begining these humans were also very large and semiphisical. King Salumein taught them Law, Right Comduct, taught them how to build cities, haw to farm, and established a brotherhood of sorts of men who would inherit the earth. This association of men were the builders, whose leader would take the throne of the Salumein when they left. The purpose of this association was to keep and preserve the peace and paradise order of the earth; lest paradise be lost to currupt men. And as time passed the djin left the earth, and gave it to mankind as a home. Paradise in the hands of these humans was not to last long.




Most of this fits in with Genesis.
The Shining Ones.
Edgar Cayce gives a similar densification story in what he saw re first men.
72 - there is that number again... and we refer to 72 elders in our rituals.
There were giants IN the Earth in those days... (underground cities).

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« Reply #7 on Feb 11, 2008, 4:10am »

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Quote:The shape of our conjoined Square and Compass or interlocked V's forms the old SIGIL OF SATURN. And there is one more sign associated with Saturn in our Fraternity: the Triple Tau found in the Royal Arch Degree. It looks like a capital T and capital H conjoined. The triple tau cross during the age of Enlightenment in europe was associated with saturn; and if we lowercase the H and T we instantly see a recognizable astrological sign - the astrological sign for the planet saturn.



Can our image maker extroadinaire, Tamrin, image this for us please?

This esplanation is a first for me.. how extraordinary.

Maat



Maat, the way to get the Sigil of Saturn is with Saturn's Magic Square:



starting with the number 3 you trace a line to 4, then 5...6...7... and so on to 11. it forms an image you will recognize. Also notice the numbers 357...

This is the Seal of Saturn, a simplified form of the Sigil of Saturn...



And this is the planetary sign of Saturn...

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« Reply #8 on Feb 11, 2008, 4:44am »

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Quote:
Quote:The shape of our conjoined Square and Compass or interlocked V's forms the old SIGIL OF SATURN. And there is one more sign associated with Saturn in our Fraternity: the Triple Tau found in the Royal Arch Degree. It looks like a capital T and capital H conjoined. The triple tau cross during the age of Enlightenment in europe was associated with saturn; and if we lowercase the H and T we instantly see a recognizable astrological sign - the astrological sign for the planet saturn.



Can our image maker extroadinaire, Tamrin, image this for us please?

This esplanation is a first for me.. how extraordinary.

Maat



Maat, Saturn wasn't so dark in his days.
Saturn has other things in common with Masonic symbolism:

Saturn is the god of CORN, we still use CORN to consecrate our precincts and cornerstones:
http://www.ancient-mythology.com/roman/saturn.php

http://www.12x30.net/saturn.html

Here's something very intriguing. Saturn is the sixth planet. You can fit the Seal of Saturn and our conjoined square and compass inside a hexagon (6 sides)- the cell of a beehive, which is a symbol found in our third degree. I will give you a link to a picture of Saturn's North Pole, which Cassini took; you tell me what you see:

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034


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Inside the hexagon I can see the Rose of Rose Croix... although the article says it is actually another 6 sided shape. to me it looks 5 sided.

The inner part moves at a slower rate also.

(Russell has interesting things to say about red roses with regards to entrances)

The Hopi have a tradition about coming to this world from another world, but emerging to this world via an aperture in the ground.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #10 on Feb 11, 2008, 7:45am »

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Quote:Can our image maker extroadinaire, Tamrin, image this for us please?


I trust Bro. Sniffles' fine examples will more than suffice.
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« Reply #11 on Feb 11, 2008, 11:43pm »

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Quote:Can our image maker extroadinaire, Tamrin, image this for us please?


I trust Bro. Sniffles' fine examples will more than suffice.



Hi Tamrin - yes he was rather quick off the mark. We are so lucky to have so many really talented people on this forum. Pretty interesting stuff don't you think?

I had wondered before, just in contemplating the triple tau, that it looked like a T + H an wondered if there could be an alternative meaning. I doubt that I would have come across the Saturn connection by myself.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #12 on Feb 12, 2008, 12:43am »

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Quote:Some have said that during this age of Cronos all the parts of the universe were divided in regions, each ruled by a different god. There were no wild creatures and the animals, being ruled by divine shepherds, did not eat one another. In the same way, there was no war among men, for they were ruled by a high deity. There were no states or families; and since they all came to life coming out of the earth and with no memory of their previous lives, they did not possess wives nor did they have any children. At this time, the universe revolved backwards; and, the climate being tempered, the men of this age lived in the open air without clothing, receiving from the earth all they needed although they did not work in agriculture.



I wonder if the 'war in the heavens' resulted in the Earth being tilted off centre, which gives us the Precession of the Equinoxes and so the various 'Gods' ruling for an Age? Instead of the One?

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« Reply #13 on Feb 12, 2008, 4:38am »

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It might be useful to consider how many meanings can be attached to "war in the heavens"

I can think of 3;

- disturbances to the solar system - Worlds in Collision
- conflict between the alien gods - Mahabharata and the Old Testament
- conflict between entities whose bodies are space - Book of Revelation (?)

And all 3 may occur as symptoms of a single larger tension

I would also consider whether such conflicts might be reflected in disease in the plant and animal kingdoms and sudden climate change

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #14 on Feb 12, 2008, 7:28am »

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Quote:I had wondered before, just in contemplating the triple tau, that it looked like a T + H an wondered if there could be an alternative meaning.


In the R.A. ritual with which I am familiar, the candidate is told (Lecture II):
This mystical character signifies in its figurative appearance H.T., Hiram of Tyre, or HAB, the letters bearing the same Phoenician import as they do with us. It signifies also TH., Templum Hierosolymi, the Temple of Jerusalem...
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Re: Saturn
« Reply #15 on Feb 12, 2008, 10:26pm »

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Quote:It signifies also TH., Templum Hierosolymi, the Temple of Jerusalem...



Tau means holy or sacred gate..
Two or more taus together equal temple..
and in this link you will find the taus illustrated with a five pointed star... which means sacred... (Venus is sacred and a holy gateway..?)

http://ancientegypt.hypermart.net/freemasonry/index.htm

Aussie masons who live in Adelaide may find this link of particular interest to them.

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Re: Saturn
« Reply #16 on Feb 20, 2008, 11:03pm »

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Quote:The Philosopher's Stone, said to be a white Cube...our Perfect Ashlar...and the CUBE is associated also with Saturn.

Now for the North Pole alluded to in our Dark North Side. It is probably the most strangest legend I have ever read or encountered, but it has many coincidental parallels with Freemasonry. Remember the Temple our ritual describes was located so far north of the ecliptic that the sun couldn't reach it and when the sun was at meridian height, it was way south as the sun is south in our lodge. This Temple our ritual speaks of is a different Solomon's Temple, one in the north pole, not the one in jerusalem. The latin word TEMPLI HIEROSALIMA has two meanings, "Temple of Jerusalem" or "Temple of the Holy Mound." What Solomon's Temple is located in the north pole?



"that the Sun could not reach it" .... consider Tipareth as the Sun/Son

http://www.byzant.com/Mystical/Kabbalah ... x?number=6

Saturn = Binah (the Black Queen)(the Waters of the Deep)(the Widow)(Hevah-Eve)?

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Thought about Hevah (Eve)

Yod/Yah means Hand

Genesis 3:20 that hevah, Eve, means hayah, the "mother of all living" (Keil and Delitzsch 1975:106).

http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

Yod-Hevah

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Quote:Thought about Hevah (Eve)

Yod/Yah means Hand

Genesis 3:20 that hevah, Eve, means hayah, the "mother of all living" (Keil and Delitzsch 1975:106).

http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

Yod-Hevah

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Yod-Hevah!....
i see something...
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Quote:Thought about Hevah (Eve)

Yod/Yah means Hand

Genesis 3:20 that hevah, Eve, means hayah, the "mother of all living" (Keil and Delitzsch 1975:106).

http://www.jewfaq.org/name.htm

Yod-Hevah

Maat




Yod-Hevah!....
i see something...
thanks!



Good - pm me re this.
And why are you just a 'guest' now?
Don't you dare nick off into the sunset. You posts get me thinking.

Cheers
Maat
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby masonfreeparty » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:51 pm

strange...no comments on this thread when masons talk about saturn stuff...are the occult scousers losing it?
life is a circus/circle governed by the ringmaster Saturn...get off the unicycle!
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby Sikufanya » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:35 pm

That's probably because they're too polite to write TLDR.

Plus, as they aren't saying Hail Saturn!!! Evil overlord of the Universe we must all bow down before you and start wars in your name etc, but are discussing something perfectly rationally, with different people listening to others opinions and not just ripping into people for daring to think something different to them, maybe nobody else thought it as portentous or even relevant as you did.
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby TheValeterUK » Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:20 pm

or people have worked out that masons have nothing to do with anything that is going on in the world and are feed up of being pointed in there direction for diss info,
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby ph4nt0m_ » Sat Feb 25, 2012 6:58 pm

TheValeterUK wrote:or people have worked out that masons have nothing to do with anything that is going on in the world and are feed up of being pointed in there direction for diss info,


^i think this is probably the most sensible thing ive heard thus far. the AV overlapped forms a hexagram saturn in ancient history was the "reaper" or the "father of time". in scripture it says plain as day "those who loved their lives not". anyways more importantly take a look at this image http://www.newthoughtkabbalah.com/tolwords.jpg
if you ignore the bottom sephira and the top three your left with seven sephira forming a hexagram or enochs cube. whats at the top of that hexagram is daath = knowledge = there is knowledge in death. i think its pretty obvious by now that humans reincarnate as the universe works cyclicly over a period of ages in relation to the zodiac ...................jus sayin
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby FREEMANOFHELSTON » Fri May 10, 2013 12:57 am

Sikufanya wrote:That's probably because they're too polite to write TLDR.

Plus, as they aren't saying Hail Saturn!!! Evil overlord of the Universe we must all bow down before you and start wars in your name etc, but are discussing something perfectly rationally, with different people listening to others opinions and not just ripping into people for daring to think something different to them, maybe nobody else thought it as portentous or even relevant as you did.



so how come if you ask masons they deny worshipping saturn? of course its relevant..only a moron would think it not :lol:
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby FREEMANOFHELSTON » Sat May 11, 2013 12:38 pm

where art thy siku?
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby e11 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:03 am

These places are hidden in plain sight. In a place called mason lodge, but with an actual lodge

http://goo.gl/maps/ZVPyh
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Re: Masons talking about saturn on their forum

Postby Sikufanya » Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:02 am

FREEMANOFHELSTON wrote:
Sikufanya wrote:That's probably because they're too polite to write TLDR.

Plus, as they aren't saying Hail Saturn!!! Evil overlord of the Universe we must all bow down before you and start wars in your name etc, but are discussing something perfectly rationally, with different people listening to others opinions and not just ripping into people for daring to think something different to them, maybe nobody else thought it as portentous or even relevant as you did.



so how come if you ask masons they deny worshipping saturn? of course its relevant..only a moron would think it not :lol:


So do YOU worship Saturn?

If you answer yes, you are obviously an "evil " Saturn Worshipper.
If you answer No, you are DENYING worshipping Saturn, which proves whatever the hell I want it to.

come on, you can do better than that.
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