Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby robespierre » Sat Jan 08, 2011 8:05 pm

Sikufanya wrote:So this stuff isn't written in any of the history books or even the contemporary writings of the time, and yet somehow YOU know about it.
Was this passed on by word of mouth in your family in fireside tales from father to son so that the truth may be known?

Obviously if you actually had a proper source for this that mentioned that in great detail , you would have included a link to that and not the Wikipedia page that didn't.


Honestly mate, guys like thecrownsucks only make the rest of us look bad.

I find it disgusting that this girls murder is being used in this way. I only hope that none of her family ever read it.
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby Sikufanya » Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:32 pm

I know exactly what you mean.

The sort of length some people go to to link everything that happens to their pet theory is unbelievable, and often quite offensive.
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby robespierre » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:07 pm

now i feel left out... i haven't been accused of being anything other than an arsehole.

seriously thecrownsucks you should have some respect for the feelings of this girl's family. anybody could read what you've written here.
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby Sikufanya » Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:17 pm

The crown sucks just accused me of being zionist. Then deleted the post. Maybe this was a case of trollling.
This was my reply anyway:

Now I just knew you were going to say that.

If I'm coming up with counter arguments to you , I MUST be one of THEM, trying to sow disinformation to prevent the truth coming out.

Strangely enough, I am not of Zionist origin, nor am I a Freemason or a member of the Bilderberg group.

Talking of Zionists, you don't subscribe to this 2012 Olympic Zionist fake alien invasion thing do you?

I heard some arguments very similar to yours, trying to add weight to the argument by mentioning lots of tangential information that was not relevant and didn't back up the theory if you did the bare minimum of research.
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby hughlle » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:49 pm

Well here is my response from the MP whom i emailed about this. Never had an MP reply so fast :D

The way the press has chosen to report my comments on the Jo Yeates murder investigation has understandably caused a great deal of concern. I would like to make clear that I have not been leading calls for all men in Bristol to be DNA tested, and it would be wholly inappropriate for me to do so, as this is for the police to decide.


I was approached by the Express newspaper, and asked if I supported calls from Louise Smith's parents (a local woman who was murdered in 1995 and whose killer was traced after DNA testing) for such methods to be used in the Joanna Yeates case. My response was that I would support the police in DNA testing if the investigating officers considered that it would be a useful step in helping to identify Jo’s killer.



Although much of the press speculation has specified men, perhaps unhelpfully, it would be for the police to decide who should be tested – male or female. I did, though, query whether it would be more productive to test beyond Clifton specifically, as only one of many practical and logistical considerations, if this option was pursued.



I am of course aware that people in Bristol would be concerned about the civil liberties aspects of DNA testing, and whether their records would be retained on the DNA database, so this would need to be looked at if the police do consider testing at some point. I also made clear that it could prove very difficult to test a significant proportion of the Bristol population, and that I am unclear how the police would actually go about it.



I hope you will be reassured that I have not “called” for testing, and nor have I in any way pre-empted what the police might do. I merely agreed that DNA testing has proved useful in solving crimes, but the police are best placed to decide whether it would be helpful in this instance.



Yours sincerely



Kerry McCarthy MP



While it can all be read as "fair enough" it seems to just be a letter saying "the police will make that decision". I intend to find which police folk are looking into this and contact them inquiring about the feasibility of it, not just in that, but also with regard to my earlier point, why would a murderer give his DNA unless he's forced through "law". All it seems they can do is tick off people who DIDN'T do it (without such a law to require, and the ability to let noone through the cracks)
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby robespierre » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:01 pm

it's a tough decision to make... on the one hand people will complain about freedoms even though the DNA would be discarded upon a negative... on the other it would help catch this guy very quickly.
a profiler should be able to come up with something to help narrow down the search. for example an age band, maybe marital status etc.
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby hughlle » Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:18 pm

How could it catch him/her at all though if they do not undergo a DNA test as they most likely would not do, being that they killed this woman. Congratulations, you now have "proof" that it wasn't the people of Bristol but what about the rest of the country? And all the people that have since gotten on places and travelled away. It would give them nothing other than the pretence that they are moving forward.
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby Sikufanya » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:06 pm

Although the police have got MANY results through DNA testing I don't think they have ever done any kind of mass public testing, nor do I think they are likely to in the near future.
EVERYBODY who is arrested in this country will have a DNA sample taken. If they are later convicted of a crime that DNA sample will be permanently on the DNA database. If someone is murdered and has the murderers DNA on them, it can be flagged up if they have been convicted previously.
Otherwise, once a suspect is arrested, it can be used to either rule them out or help convict them.

If you have been arrested but then later acquitted, you actually do have to apply and sometimes go through a bit of a battle to get them to REMOVE the DNA sample from their database.
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby masonfreeparty » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:30 pm

Siku...DYFR

2. The Blood-thirsty God The King James Version (KJV) is mostly used in these lessons. Click here to access the KJV online. The Greek Kronos and the Roman Saturn were the same god; 1both symbolized Nimrod. As god of the harvest, he was typically represented as holding a scythe. Kronos/Saturn was the god of time 2as well and as such he was also frequently shown holding babies.3 Saturn’s chief holiday was Saturnalia. In December, the path of the sun stands still on the southern sky for five days. Ancient priests told the superstitious people that the sun was dying and must be propitiated with costly sacrifices. Saturn, as the god of time, was implored to continue time. The people were thus compelled to offer the things most precious to them, their children, in order to prolong time. Saturn, god of time and god of the harvest, reaped his harvest of souls in the burned bodies of these young children.

In mythology, Kronos ate his own children. Therefore, the proper sacrifice with which to appease Kronos would, of course, be children. While indications are that this was not a daily ritual, it certainly occurred at times of national peril such as famine or war. The victims were generally heavily veiled (to prevent the parents from seeing when it was their child’s turn) and loud music with drums was played to drown out any screams that may be heard. Carthage in particular was infamous for child sacrifice. "Special ceremonies during extreme crisis saw up to 200 children of the most affluent and powerful families slain and tossed into the burning pyre. During the political crisis of 310 B.C., some 500 were killed." 4"Saturn had become the champion of African paganism . . . indeed as Baal-Hammon in Phoenician Carthage, he was the object of child sacrifice, disclosed by the discoveries in the Tophet, or open-air sacrificial grounds of the old Punic city."5 "The champion deity of North African paganism was Saturn to whom the Phoenician god Baal-Hammon was assimilated. Although a fertility god, Saturn-Baal . . . was nonetheless ruthless in the sacrifices he exacted." 6

The Romans quit offering human sacrifice early on7and the Senate officially outlawed the practice in 97 BCE.8However, blood was still spilled via gladiators during the saturnalia celebrations. 9 . "The gladiatorial shows were sacred" to Saturn. 10. Ausonius stated that "the ampitheatre claims its gladiators for itself, when at the end of December they propitiate with their blood the sickle-bearing Son of Heaven." 11 The fact that the gladiators were themselves considered sacrifices to this blood-thirsty god is affirmed by Justus Lipsius, when commenting on Ausonius’ quote: "Where you will observe two things, both, that the gladiators fought on the Saturnalia, and that they did so for the purpose of appeasing and propitiating Saturn." 12

The principle on which these [gladiatorial] shows were conducted was the very same as that which influenced the priests of Baal. They were celebrated as propitiatory sacrifices . . . in the light of the real history of the historical Saturn, we find a more satisfactory reason for the barbarous custom when such multitudes of men were "Butchered to make a Roman holiday." When it is remembered that Saturn [Nimrod] himself was cut in pieces, it is easy to see how the idea would arise of offering a welcome sacrifice to him by setting men to cut one another in pieces on his birthday, by way of propitiating his favor. 13

On the modern calendar, December 21 is the winter solstice, or shortest day of the year in the Northern Hemisphere. However, on the early Julian calendar, the winter solstice fell on December 25. , 14 ,15The Romans called this Brumalia from the Latin word bruma, for short. On December 25 was held the feast of Sol Invictus, after which the days again begin to lengthen. The later Romans referred to this day as the "birthday of the Invincible Sun" or dies natalis Solis Invicti. 16Saturnalia immediately preceded Brumalia and it was a time of riotous merry-making.

Thus, the various ancient celebrations honoring Nimrod/Saturn and Tammuz during Saturnalia and its cultural equivalents have become absorbed into the modern celebration of Christmas. 17 These include the Twelve Days of Christmas; snacks and "goodies" left out in the evening; holiday "punch" in a special wassail bowl; Christmas trees decorated with lights (originally candles made from the fat of the burned bodies of children offered in sacrifice); Christmas trees hung with balls (anciently decapitated heads of sacrificial victims) and crowned with a star; parties with nosie-makers; gift exchanges; Yule logs; feasting; kissing under the mistletoe; the "Christmas goose"; Yule cakes; the boar’s head/ham as the main dish of Christmas dinner; holly berries (the food of the gods); evergreen boughs; caroling; "Advent" candles; the imagery of the "Christ-child" (actually Tammuz, the Babylonian messiah); Christmas cards (a modern evolution of sending season’s greetings and blessings), etc. Even the imagery of Father Christmas/Santa Claus bears a striking resemblance to Saturn: an old man, with a long beard, surrounded by children.

The imagery of Saturn: an evil, child-sacrifice demanding old man, carries on in modern society in two more guises. Every December, Saturn, the god of time, reappears as "Old Father Time." The child-victim is Baby New Year. Notice that in this modern cartoon of Old Father Time with Baby New Year, all of the characteristics of Saturn are in place: the scythe, the watch, as a symbol of Time, and, of course, the child-victim. The smile behind Father Time’s beard makes this seem like innocent fun: symbols that contain no reference to evil, just a fun way to represent the passage of time.

A far more chilling representation of Father Time with Baby New Year can be found in this illustration from the 19th century.Father Time/Saturn, as the god of Time, is standing in front of a large clock, holding his scythe. The old years, 1886-1888, are passing away as full-grown bodies wrapped in burial shrouds. The New Year, 1889, is coming in as a young child. While the picture is quite dark, light from the fire is lighting the little boy while on either side are swirls of smoke from the burning fire at his feet (below the view of the picture.) Notice that the new years still to come, 1890-1892, are portrayed as child sacrifice victims, all of whom are heavily veiled. All of the grotesque elements of this hideous god are contained in this one "innocent" illustration.



The other way in which Saturn’s imagery exists in modern society is as the Grim Reaper. The Grim Reaper is typically seen only around Halloween. He is widely understood as a symbol of death itself. Very few, if any, in modern society have recognized in either the Grim Reaper or Old Father Time the pagan connection to the cruelest, most evil of all the gods. However, an ancient would immediately recognize both as being none other than Saturn because the emblems which identified Saturn are the same which identify Old Father time and the Grim Reaper: scythes and something to mark the passage of time.



As Christianity was absorbed into pagan Rome, both Christianity and paganism combined to form a new, amalgamated religion. This new religion, headed by the papacy, retained the pagan celebrations, now christened with new, "Christianized" names. Christianity was very quick to immerse itself in paganism which did not change its religious practices. As early as the third century, Tertullian lamented how quick the Christians of his day were to give up their pure faith while the pagans remained very faithful to their religion:

By us who are strangers to Sabbaths, and new moons, and [annual] festivals, once acceptable to God, the Saturnalia, the feasts of January, the Brumalia, and Matronalia, are now frequented; gifts are carried to and fro, new year’s day presents are made with din, and sports and banquets are celebrated with uproar; oh, how much more faithful are the heathen to their religion, who take special care to adopt no solemnity from the Christians.18

This is a fascinating quote because religious observances are dependent on their calendars for establishing when to celebrate. Tertullian was listing the Creator’s luni-solar holy days: Sabbaths, new moons, and annual feasts. He stated that these celebrations were acceptable to God, while lamenting the fact that they had been given up for pagan holidays, calculated on the pagan, Julian calendar!

A baker combines yeast with dough to make bread. The end product, bread, does not resemble either the yeast or the dough. It is a new product made of them both. In this way, the amalgamation of paganism with Christianity has flowed through the papal Church and now permeates all of Christendom. Pure apostolic godliness is a thing of the past, as is the overt paganism of the ancients. However, the product of this corrupt union is seen in the Christianity of today. The new end-result is "Christian Babylonians."

There are many excuses given by sincere, conservative Christian Babylonians today for clinging to pagan holidays honoring Saturn.

•"Christmas is a wonderful time for spending with family. We are so busy throughout the year this is really our only chance to get together."
•"Christmas is a great time to witness! People are more open at this time of year so I use it as an opportunity to share about Christ with my neighbors."
•"Christmas is the only holiday that really focuses on Jesus."
•"Christmas is fun! What is wrong with that?"
•"Christmas is my only opportunity to really show my appreciation to the people important to me."
•"I know that Jesus was not really born then so it is alright for me."
The pagans were ignorant of the true God of Heaven. They practiced these rituals honoring Nimrod because they did not know any better. Can Christians today make the same claim? Scripture teaches that "the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent." 19 To know that Christmas is a pagan holiday, to know that the modern rituals are identical to the ancient rituals that honored Saturn/Nimrod, and yet to claim exemption from sin because one knows, is extremely inconsistent.

There are many, devout Christians who do not celebrate Easter or Christmas because of their pagan origins. There are others who do not celebrate birthdays either because they know that the celebration of one’s own birthday is the highest Satanic holiday of the year. 20Yet, through ignorance these same sincere people worship on other pagan holy days. It does not matter whether the day of the week is the first day or the seventh day; if a pagan calendar is being used to keep track of time, it is calculating pagan worship days.

The very strongest deceptions are those closest to the truth. Saturday, the seventh day of the pagan calendar is assumed to be the Biblical Sabbath, but it is not. In a complicated twist, Satan has produced Sunday as The Counterfeit Worship Day. The purpose of this double deception is to deceive all who truly desire to honor their Maker either by worshipping on the "Lord’s Day" or the seventh-day Sabbath. In this way, attention is diverted from the truth that Saturday itself is a counterfeit which honors the cruelest, most blood-thirsty of all the gods: Saturn. Honor and worship is thus stolen from the Creator and given to His enemy
life is a circus/circle governed by the ringmaster Saturn...get off the unicycle!
Yours in truth,Steve Collier,Burton-on-trent
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Re: Joanne...a sacrifice to Yeats?saturnalia ritual?

Postby robespierre » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:01 pm

LOL. she isn't a child... so that's that one out the window, eh?

so you actually believe saturn as a god exists?

not just that but you believe the elite worship this myth and sacrifice people to it?
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