Vaccines - The True Weapons of Mass Destruction

[wat tyler]

The member called 'Esoteric' has drawn our attention to a series of videos entitled 'Vaccines - The True Weapons of Mass Destruction' which, to me, is hugely important and which I think deserves a thread of its own. Wow ! It's extraordinary stuff !!

Thanks to Esoteric for sharing with us this terrific 15 part series - (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6dffXhewVE

(Part 2) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ64Y370 ... re=related

etc etc

(15 Parts)

[jobo]

not wanting to nick Wats thread but im fascinated by why theres this constant reference to mass destruction and extermination of population due vaccination

vaccinations have eliminated a considerable number of very nasty ailments and greatly reduced the mortality rate in the western- world and in the 3 rd world

if for some reason they wanted to use vaccination to kill ,incapacitate the population then just taking the active ingreedents out of the polio, diphtheria, small pox, TB jabs and let nature take its course, at their height in the 19 century, they were killing 25 % of the children of the poor

this, I suggest, would be a far more effective than the minuscule % of people who get ill health effects from the vaccines themselves

or have i missed something

[wat tyler]

not wanting to nick Wats thread but im fascinated by why theres this constant reference to mass destruction and extermination of population due vaccination

vaccinations have eliminated a considerable number of very nasty ailments and greatly reduced the mortality rate in the western- world and in the 3 rd world

if for some reason they wanted to use vaccination to kill ,incapacitate the population then just taking the active ingreedents out of the polio, diphtheria, small pox, TB jabs and let nature take its course, at their height in the 19 century, they were killing 25 % of the children of the poor

this, I suggest, would be a far more effective than the minuscule % of people who get ill health effects from the vaccines themselves

or have i missed something

OK Jobo,

You begin with the assumption that 'vaccinations have eliminated a considerable number of very nasty ailments and greatly reduced the mortality rate in the western world and in the 3rd world'.

Would you care to give us some evidence in support of this assumption ?

For example, some basic questions - which ailments have vaccinations 'eliminated' ? Care to name just a few ?
How does the increased mortality rate of the western world tie in with vaccination programmes ?

Thanks

[way I man]

Czech government denies BAXTER vaccination: "It is not safe!"

Posted By: CzechDestiny <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 5-Aug-2009 10:49:33

Vaccination in the Czech Republic postponed indefinitely?

Czech government refused to sign the contract with Baxter for swine flu vaccine, because that company was not willing to grant the security of the vaccine and was not willing to oblige itself for payment of possible compensations due to possible side effects of the vaccine.
The government started to negotiate with another manufacturer, Novartis.

However because there is no way, that anybody on this planet could and would ever grant either security or compensation payment for any vaccine, it seems, that the vaccination is forever postponed. (In case the governemt will further insist on these conditions).

http://zpravy.idnes.cz/pri-pandemii-pra ... domaci_abr

[wat tyler]

Yes, way I man - the Czech people seem to have more common sense than most about these things.

And how about this ? I quote -

''There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease (including polio)."

"Dr. Robert Simpson of Rutgers (1976) wrote, (and I quote), 'immunization programs against flu, measles, mumps, polio, and so forth, may actually be seeding humans with RNA to form latent proviruses...in search of disease: when activated under the proper conditions, they could cause a variety of diseases' - (He listed rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus erythematosus, Parkinson's disease and perhaps cancer).

An article published in the 'Townsend Letter for Doctors', February-March, 1994 states that "Mass vaccinations and antibiotics did not
appear on the scene until a century after," the decline of most infectious diseases started around 1850. By 1950 most infectious diseases had disappeared or gone into their latent stages. "Unfortunately, inoculations were (and still are) given full credit. Still millions of Rotary dollars have been extracted from thousands of executives who have no idea that the rules of the game have been changed mainstream: in order to cover up the fact that in nearly every state where the Salk vaccine was administered the polio rate leaped by 400-600%.

"From statistics we note that polio ceased to be a big problem almost immediately but that suddenly aseptic or viral meningitis sometimes called spinal meningitis or multiple sclerosis) were seen in epidemic proportions in approximately the same number that polio was diagnosed in prior years. In fact, a California State Communicable Disease report for 1971 shows that between 1955 and 1966 polio cases dropped from 272 to 50 while viral meningitis rose from 5 to 256 cases. A separate report lists (polio)...now reported as 'meningitis'. So today there wouldn't be any polio even if there were thousands of cases a year because of a few small changes in diagnostic criteria." [u]In short, the government medical Gestapo changed the name of polio to meningitis and other similar names to cover up the fact that the polio vaccine did not stop polio.

Etc. etc.

Seems like there is more than one side to the vaccination story, right ?

Source - http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:kE ... clnk&gl=uk

[jobo]

]For example, some basic questions - which ailments have vaccinations 'eliminated' ? Care to name just a few ?
Thought i had see list above( Some are returning to to immigration)

How does the increased mortality rate of the western world tie in with vaccination programmes ?

dam lies and statistic , we have a 100% mortality rate, everybody dies

you need to pick you demographic to have meaningful discussion

so what are the rates your talking of and an increase since when ?

[wat tyler]

]For example, some basic questions - which ailments have vaccinations 'eliminated' ? Care to name just a few ?
Thought i had see list above( Some are returning to to immigration)

How does the increased mortality rate of the western world tie in with vaccination programmes ?

dam lies and statistic , we have a 100% mortality rate, everybody dies

you need to pick you demographic to have meaningful discussion

so what are the rates your talking of and an increase since when ?

OK Jobo,

Let's start again. You made the statement here on this thread that (and I quote) -

'' Vaccinations have eliminated a considerable number of very nasty ailments and greatly reduced the mortality rate in the western- world and in the 3 rd world''

And all I am asking for is some evidence of this. Do you have any ?

1. Which very nasty ailments have been eliminated by vaccines ? Care to name some ? Just a few ? Since you say there are a 'considerable number'.

2. The mortality rate of the western world. What is the relationship between this and vaccine programmes ?

Thank You Again

[jobo]

Wat i dont want waste hours demanding evidence of each other again, thought we had got past that

just tell me clearly what your taking issue with and il have a go at backing it ups

off the top of my head diphtheria,, polio, Tb, small pox il get a full list for you if you really want one ? tell me you dont really want me to prove the eradication small pox ?



morality rates are done in age bands 0 to 4 . 40 to 50 etc all mortality rates have decreased since the child vaccinations started in the 40s( though not just because of vaccinations). except of course for the older bands were more people die in their 80s because less died in their childhood

give me the figures you referring to and il comment

[wat tyler]

Wat i dont want waste hours demanding evidence of each other again, thought we had got past that

just tell me clearly what your taking issue with and il have a go at backing it ups

off the top of my head diphtheria,, polio, Tb, small pox il get a full list for you if you really want one ?



morality rates are done in age bands 0 to 4 . 40 to 50 etc all mortality rates have decreased since the child vaccinations started in the 40s( though not just because of vaccinations). except of course for the older bands were more people die in their 80s because less died in their childhood

give me the figures you referring to and il comment

Jobo,

You are attributing the decrease in Diptheria, Polio and Smallpox to programmes of innoculation, aren't you ? And you are saying western people now live longer due to innoculations. Aren't you ? Let me deal with the first of these claims by you. (In fact they're not claims, they are dogmatic assertions).

Dr. Robert Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D. in his book, ''How to Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor, says that "a great deal of bad medicine is practiced in the United States...Doctors....are...impaired by medical education's preoccupation with intervention rather than prevention, its infatuation with drugs and technology, and the indefensible rituals, mores and egotistical attitudes that are burned into the brain of every (medical) student....They emerge with their heads so stuffed with institutionalized foolishness that there is no room for common sense." Dr. Mendelsohn also says, "my advice to parents, based on long observation of the behavior and my own experience in treating thousands of children, is 'Avoid your doctor whenever you can." Dr. Mendelsohn states that "The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization. There is NO convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease (including polio)." Dr. Mendelsohn "would urge you to reject all inoculations for your child."

As for mortality -

"Dr. Robert Simpson of Rutgers in...1976 says....immunization programs against flu, measles, mumps, polio, and so forth, may actually be seeding humans with RNA to form latent proviruses...in search of disease: when activated under the proper conditions, they could cause a
variety of disease....He listed rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus erythematosus, Parkinson's disease and 'perhaps cancer.'"

An article published in the Townsend Letter for Doctors, February-March, 1994 states that "Mass vaccinations and antibiotics did not
appear on the scene until a century after," the decline of most infectious diseases started around 1850. By 1950 most infectious diseases had
disappeared or gone into their latent stages. "Unfortunately, inoculations were (and still are) given full credit. Still millions of Rotary dollars have been extracted from thousands of executives who have no idea that the rules of the game have been changed mainstream: in order to cover up the fact that in nearly every state where the Salk vaccine was administered the polio rate leaped by 400-600%.

"From statistics we note that polio ceased to be a big problem almost immediately but that suddenly aseptic or viral meningitis (sometimes called spinal meningitis or multiple sclerosis) were seen in epidemic proportions in approximately the same number that polio was diagnosed in prior years. In fact, a California State Communicable Disease report for 1971 shows that between 1955 and 1966 polio cases dropped from 272 to 50 while viral meningitis rose from 5 to 256 cases. A separate report lists (polio)...now reported as meningitis. So today there wouldn't be any polio even if there were thousands of cases a year because of a few small changes in diagnostic criteria." In short, the government medical Gestapo changed the name of polio to meningitis and other similar names to cover up the fact that the polio vaccine did not stop polio.

Dr. James Carter, M.D., author of ''Racketeering in Medicine'', The Suppression of Alternatives (1992) writes "Behind closed doors, organized
medicine inflicts severe pressure on alternative practitioners to halt their methods. They are ostracized from their peers and endure frightening attacks alleging lack of ethics, fraud and other fabrications; even mental competence can be questioned. Alternative practitioners are falsely accused of exploiting their patients for money. Libeled and slandered as quacks-charlatans, they endure unwarranted attacks and trumped-up charges -- not objective investigation."

"Corporate interests determine which medical procedures will be researched and developed....The financial giants of business and industry
and their corporate sponsored philanthropies, such as American Cancer Society, spend and lobby mightily for laws representing their
investments....It is their intent to eliminate the competition."

The medical Gestapo busts health food stores and holistic medical doctors and illegally confiscates their vitamins, ozone machines, radionic
machines, computers, books, medical equipment and other private property. Individual losses of hundreds of thousands of dollars are common and the confiscated property is never returned even though formal charges and hearings are never conducted against the holistic doctor. This is medical tyranny and its net effect is government supported harassment and medical genocide because many people can not be treated with these holistic natural therapies.

Most unnecessary deaths at the hands of orthodox medical doctors result from mismanagement of cardiovascular disease and cancer, which
causes 1.5 million deaths each year. Holistic medical doctor, Dr. Julian Whitaker, M.D. in Health and Wellness Today (October, 1993) stated, "...the New England Journal of Medicine reported that in 1984, standard hospital procedures damaged 98,609 and killed 13,451 in New York alone. Projected on a national scale, this means medical mistakes and malpractice might have harmed 1.4 million Americans, killing about 186,000 in one year. Name another industry which kills and maims so many people annually."

Dr. Robert Schenieder in his book, When to Say No to Surgery, says that up to 25% of all surgeries are unnecessary, that up to 60% for some
operations are unnecessary, and that up to 80% of tonsillectomy and hysterectomy are unnecessary. Out of a total of 25 million surgeries a
year, this means that at least 25% of them, that is, 6 million surgeries a year are unnecessary. Out of that 6 million unnecessary surgeries, up to 83,000 Americans die each year from surgeries they did not even need according to medical experts.

In Townsend Letter for Doctor, 1992, Marti Kheel reported that according to the FDA, 1.5 million people in the United States had to be
hospitalized in 1978 as a consequence of taking prescription drugs. And some 30% of all hospitalized patients get further damage by the therapy imposed upon them. Kheel says, "The number of people killed in the U.S. by the intake of drugs has been estimated at 140,000 each year."

Dr. Michael A. Schmidt, D.C. in Beyond Antibiotics shows that up to 60% of all antibiotics are prescribed unnecessary, that they cause the very conditions they purport to treat and that improved sanitation improved the death rate not antibiotics.

As reported in Medical Heretic, 25 years as a practicing physician convinced Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D. that: "Annual physical examinations
are a health risk....Hospitals are dangerous places for the sick....Most operations do little good and many do harm....Medical testing laboratories are scandalously inaccurate," about half the time. Dr. Mendelsohn concludes by saying, "I believe that more than 90% of modern medicine could disappear from the face of the earth -- doctors, hospitals, drugs and equipment -- and the effect would be immediate and beneficial."

All of this is true, and perhaps one day, you will come to know that the initials "M.D." following the name of your own Establishment medical
doctor means "Moral Degenerate," because your health and your life mean nothing to him as proven by his works not his words. How do you know if your doctor is an Establishment degenerate? Ask him, "Do you use and support chelation, ozone, ultraviolet, Armour thyroid, homeopathy, chiropractic, naturopathy, herbs, vitamins and freedom of choice?" If the answer is no, don't know, maybe, or "I didn't study nutrition and alternative therapies in medical school," politely excuse yourself and find a holistic medical doctor, a real doctor, who primarily uses the natural therapies.

Medical genocide in the past 80 years since the internationalists took control of the medical Establishment has murdered an estimated 65
million people using fraudulent approved drugs, surgery and radiation proven to sicken and kill. In addition, internationalists initiated and
funded abortion clinics have murdered over 30 million innocent unborn babies by abortion since the satanic Roe vs. Wade ruling.
Now can you begin to understand that the medical genocide of 95 million lives in the past 80 years is part of the genocidal New World
Order, a totalitarian, communistic plan which promises freedom, abundance, health, well-being, and peace but will deliver slavery, scarcity, doctor caused disease and death, and continual war.

International bankers control the medical Establishment. They want to destroy all competition to their genocidal drug approach. They want to limit and eliminate chiropractic as part of their genocidal program to keep us sick and dependent, too sick and dependent to resist their global plans to enslave us.

The same one world government international gangsters who are destroying our national sovereignty also control the medical Establishment. The New World Order is communistic and the controlled United States government has supported Communism for over 80 years,
Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower all supported Stalin's Communism and the murder of 30 million to 50 million mostly white Christians in Russia. Stalin was an agent of the international bankers. It is estimated that these international Communists have murdered over 300 million people in the past 100 years and in addition, their medical genocide has murdered 95 million people in the past 80 years.

Medical genocide includes treating superficial symptoms with drugs to intentionally make your health problems worse; ignoring, minimizing,
discrediting and mismanaging the underlying causes of disease on purpose to make you sick; mandatory immunizations to create not cure disease; recommending unhealthy foods to destroy your health; suppressing and eliminating all ozone, ultraviolet, oxygen therapies, chelation and other holistic therapies proven to save lives and medical costs; suppressing and rejecting any research to test holistic therapies; abortion; the abortion pill; the AIDS virus, created by the internationalists, is being spread intentionally by AIDS virus contaminated vaccines, including the hepatitis and polio vaccines. This is medical genocide.

Dr. John Coleman, a political analyst, states that the internationalists Global 2000 Report, an actual secret document, calls for
zero growth in the population and the elimination of 2 billion people from the Earth by the year 2000 by medical genocide, abortion, the abortion pill, birth control pills, euthanasia, suicide, homosexuality, bacteriological warfare against civilian populations (you), and war.

Dr. Coleman states, "the ruling class is cult-ridden. They belong...to a network of cults and secret societies which in many cases
teach that killing certain classes of people is their bound duty...Adherents and members of these cults do not blink an eye at killing
millions of unwanted people. Once we have grasped this truth, it is easy to see how and why the Club of Rome intends carrying out it mass murder plans." H. G. Wells, a well known internationalist wrote: "It is easy to kill when one kills for the purpose of maintaining the ideals of the ruling class."

The death merchants of the Global 2000 Report have plans to kill you. Commenting on how the banker created wars are not killing us quick
enough, Bertrand Russell, a well known homosexual and stooge of the internationalists, wrote in his book, The Impact of Science and
Society, "War has hitherto been disappointing in this respect but perhaps bacteriological war may prove effective. If a black death could spread throughout the world once every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. This state of affairs might be unpleasant but what of it."

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And so it goes on. When doctors, good doctors, warn us about vaccines, when they take the time and personal risk to warn us about them, against their own career prospects and certain negative results then, at that point, we are right to admire doctors. But the medical industry, the pharmaceutical industry, is a very different thing. There are hundreds of reasons to be very wary, very cautious of mass vaccinations. And stil we have no proof of vaccination programmes eliminating any medical risk.

The increase in mortality is simply because we, today, live in better ventilated housing, and have more food choices and more access to choice. It has nothing to do with vaccination programmes which have, at best, a highly dubious track record.

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[jobo]

wat i wish you id the source when lifting great chunks of text like that

there far to much there for one debate, ande im personally of the view that doctors are best avoided if possible

but that aside, the bit relevant to this debate i would sugest is the accersion that contagious diseases would have decreased to next to nothing with out vaccination

is that your take on it ? except of course polio which it is alleged went through deed poll

which then begs the question of why, if the changes in living condition diet etc was the reason for the mass decline of diseases, polio was the exception ?

but we can do that later,

lets examine your( their) claim of the inevitable reduction of these disease by considering a case study of small pox

this disease was present in humans from around 10,000 BC so give or take 12 000 years of ravening the world, rich and poor a like

so your theory need you to accept that it went in to decline at exactly the same time as a vaccination took place, a bit of a co incidence you must admit ?
and though you could point to improving living condition in the country, the decline started immediately after inocs started in 1853, long before slum clearance and tescos health range started

there after its been eradicated world wide,even where living condition and diet were appalling, again immediately after a vaccination program commenced in each country the disease ceased to exist in that countrye

death toll WW in 1950, 50 million, death toll in 2008 O, thats zero-

so questioned to answerwhy would it disappear world wide after 12000 years just at the point were compulsory inocs started, if the inocs were not the cause

the death toll from the vaccination is 1 person in a million, the mortality rate from the diseases was 80% in infected children

hash if its your kid that gets the allergic reaction, but now nobody get SP and no body get inoced, so it seems to have worked