We have no real problem in communication if you answer my questions and I answer yours !
As for your views on the dating of human existence, I base mine on a mass of evidence. Not least the fact that all the early civilizations of mankind began not later than the late 3rd millenium BC, including those of China, Sumeria, Egypt and others. This has not been contradicted by the discoveries of science although (you may agree) the dates of Egyptian dynastic history seem to be 'elastic'. In the early 19th century it was taught by the British Museum that the Egyptian civilization began around 7,000 BC. This was changed to around 5,000 BC in the 1920's and it currently stands around 3,100 BC. Not bad for a sceptic like you to say such things Jobo !
As for the age of the world, it is very ancient. But we are not talking of the age of the world but of mankind. Which seems to be quite different subject. The age of chemicals in a bag of cement may be very ancient though the cement itself may be only weeks old. And so on.
Anyway, on Smallpox. You say there are numerous references to Smallpox epidemics across all the world before 1800. MMMM
And you provide us with the following examples - Plague of Athens that occurred in 430 BCE, during the Peloponnesian Wars
Antonine Plague that swept through the Roman Empire and Italy in 165–180,
in the second century, returning roman soldiers brought the disease home with them to Syria and Italy, where it raged for fifteen years and greatly weakened the Roman empire, killing up to one-third of the population in some areas.Total deaths have been estimated at 5 million.
A second major outbreak of disease in the Roman Empire, known as the Plague of Cyprian (251–266).
These, Jobo, are examples of PLAGUE, are they not ? Do you, Jobo, make a distinction between Plague and Smallpox ? I hope you do.
And you say that - The first incontrovertible description of smallpox in Western Europe occurred in 581, when Bishop Gregory of Tours provided an eyewitness account describing the characteristic symptoms of smallpox.
OK, so we started with epidemics over '12,000 years' and we are now already up to the year of 581 A.D. before the first description of smallpox. And that's about 10,500 years of any firm evidence for a smallpox epidemic, isn't it ? According to your own story.
You next say, ' Waves of epidemics wiped out large rural populations throughout Europe'.
Really ? Which 'waves of epidemics of Smallpox' are you refering to ? You provide no evidence of dates, places etc etc. Does it get better ?
An epidemic in India, you say, around 400 AD.
We are then travelling on your magic carpet once again and the next reference you give us for a smallpox epidemic is around the year 1400. Fully a thousand years later ! So we are now only left with around 700 years of your '12,000 years'.
You say the Incas were wiped out by Smallpox. This introduced by those travelling with Christopher Columbus. I do not believe it. What evidence do you have in support of this ? If Smallpox wiped out the Incas why did it not wipe out Christopher Columbus and his colleagues ? Maybe they had been vaccinated ?
Which viruses which wiped out the native American Indians ? It may not have been Smallpox but the common cold, or flu or any other number of common ailments. That smallpox existed in the 18th century is already accepted.
And so we have come full circle.
I do NOT believe you have proved your point. You have reminded us that many illnesses, many contagions, may wipe out a population which has no resistance to them. We know this to be a plain fact. Nobody doubts it. Whether we are discussing Incas, Eskimos or anyone else. Nobody disputes this. But the claim you made of Smallpox having a 12,000 year old history of epidemics is not proved and I believe, as said, the first major Smallpox epidemics come from the 18th and early 19th centuries, around the time, in fact, of the early Industrial Revolution. That 'pox' was gradually identified and became the reason for the first vaccinations is also not disputed.
But please tell us Jobo. Did vaccinations for Smallpox ever cure anyone ? And what evidence have you that the current Swine Flu Vaccine being prescribed in vast quantities prevents the spread of any identifiable viral infection ? Since, how can a vaccine exist if the virus itself has not been identified and described ? I mean, what are we really talking about here ? You believe mass vaccinations work and we have huge holes in the story.
Perhaps you can finally provide us with this information ?