FIRST RED CAR SEIZED

[Anglo-Saxon]

Vehicle Repossessions

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/fo ... c-Offences

This site is massive found it while trawling it must provide something of interest to those on here.

[HVYMTL]

I'm not trying to get the car back, it's a practically worthless old banger.

I'm not trying to gain financially from the situation, any and all proceeds will go to Sentebale.

My only interest is in the truth, and to provide a precedent for others to use to defend their rights. The police will continue to break the law just as long as they can get away with it. When it starts to sting they will be forced buck their ideas up and keep their sticky fingers to themselves.

The worst part is that the vast majority of them don't even know they are breaking the law, they have been mal-trained on purpose for several decades now.

[HVYMTL]

Update
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It's been almost 2 months now, I did write another set of notices, but tbh I don't expect, and don't know how, to bring prosecution proceedings, so it feels like fraud to suggest that I intend to bring them. Also since finding out that they can't prosecute if they don't issue a NIP within 14 days of the incident I have a gut feeling that even if I did know how to get an official NIP produced it's now way too late to do so.

So I'm going to step back from this battle at this point and carry on fact finding.

At some future point, when I can afford to do so, I have in mind to get another cheap car and repeat the process, but I'm not going to do that until I am confident enough with the information.

All in all not a bad battle, lost an old car, but managed to avoid any points, fines or court appearances thanks largely to the information presented on youtube by Dean Clifford.

See you next time...

[HVYMTL]

Update
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This is going to sound really strange, but my Mum just told me about a nightmare she just had, and after thinking about it somewhat I suddenly feel much more inclined to carry on fighting this. The internal battle is the hardest part, the uncertainty, the fight between wanting to do what is right and the old "I'm Alright Jack" principle...

I'm going to reconsider going another round.

[Too Far Gone]

Get it done mate! I'm sure there's loads on here want to see you win this one. Just ask for help on here if you need some research doing. I would love to see officials held to account and it would open the way for many others following suit.

[HVYMTL]

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Here is the notice I'm currently planning to send tommorow so it arrives on monday.

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Respondent : Mr Mark POLIN
Date : 5-3-2012

NOTICE OF INTENTION TO SEEK PROSECUTION PROCEEDINGS


At 10:18am on 12th of January 2012, the privately owned conveyance bearing the identifying mark “HVY MTL” was seized under SECTION 165A-C of the ROAD TRAFFIC ACT 1988, on the A470 by members of NORTH WALES POLICE.

You have been given ample time and 3 opportunities thus far to rebut my understanding of the above mentioned seizure as being unlawful and your claim of right to remove my property faulty. I find therefore that your refusal to offer rebuttal or settlement in the matter constitutes actions which are ULTRA VIRES and I believe you will find that you cannot rely upon your employer, insurance or uniform to cover or protect you for your professional malpractice.

As per the terms of the original NOTICE sent on the 16th of January 2012, which you have agreed to by your silent acquiescence the amount now due currently stands at, but is not limited to : £24,500 + any and all expenses incurred in proceeding through the courts, and £1000 per day for each and every day that payment is late starting from the previously agreed deadline of the 27th of February 2012.

IGNORANTIA LEGIS NEMINEM EXCUSAT, ET NEMO EST SUPRA LEGIS.

You may at this point choose to start acting honourably and to accept the original notice and settle the matter in full by returning my property to me if it has not already been destroyed, and making a charitable donation of £2000 by cheque made out to 'Sentebale'.

This is the last time such an offer will be made, and this is your last opportunity to deal directly with me in this matter. Refusal to settle the matter promptly will result in my contacting such parties as is necessary to seek prosecution proceedings against you personally for the full amount as applicable when the matter is concluded.

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I'll send this one by registered post.

[Sidlander]

This is awesome mate and I do applaud your decision to pass any settlement, if any such is forthcoming to a charity. I wish you success and may you be the first of many on this road to taking money from them.

Just an idea, if many more are prepared to do this, maybe use any gains to perpetuate this by buying a few more banger's maybe even have a banger rally all driving these around towns with loud speakers spreading the message like the lorry drivers did protesting about fuel costs

I am actually thinking of doing this but, just taking my licence plates off completely. As from birth I have been deceived all bets are off. I think this is the most straight forward approach. Place the burden of proof on them and if they can't prove or produce then It proves truth. After all if you are deceived into consensual agreement, it is void upon discovery of deception surely.

It is just a matter of teaching them what there management have failed to teach them. And if we want it done properly, we have to take it upon ourselves to do it.

[whitebakecase]

at this point, since they havent rebutted your fee schedule and youve got all the proofs of posting (i assume), cant you now compile a "True Bill" and take it to small claims court?

Hat off to you, wish you every success

[HVYMTL]

I never expect to get this far tbh. Instead of sending by registered post I've been sending the letters off in quadruplicate there are 3 other parties involved in this, North Wales Police, South Wales Police, Clarence House and Buckingham Palace. There is quite a bit more writing than I'm showing here.

I'm not trying to win a small battle, I'm trying to smash this boulder in the road to bits for everyone. I want to make sure that if the police seize a car from the public that they don't have right to, then you can simply get it back by writing an appropriate notice. It's only a first step, and eventually the aim is to completely rethink the law regarding driving in this country because the way it stands right now is a complete scam on the public.

I do believe it's right there should be laws to deal with dangerous drivers and with people driving whilst intoxicated on drink or drugs, and I do believe it should be within the power of the police to seize cars from people if they need to, for instance if some 17 year old p***k is ragging his car around at 50mph in a built up area... but it should only be done in cases where it is appropriate and peoples property rights should be respected.

I regret lamenting earlier, I had a moment of weakness where the internal battle started to get the best of me, but as it turns out this notice is far better than what I had previously written and I'm back on the case now and another 4 letters will be going out soon.

[Sidlander]

(just my thoughts HVYMTL) I think sending any notice like in this situation it's important to send recorded so you have the evidence to back up that facts. You sent them out and they where received, look here's the signature. Its just a precautionary principal (after all we know they are not honest) Your covered if they decided to say, we never received them. Should you get a reply they are incriminating themselves and they have the right to not do that but by ignoring your notice they are consenting that you have a valid point or, they are ignoring you because they think you will never follow through on them. If you do, wheres your evidence? I guess it would be acceptable to have your copies certified and included in the affidavit. I send everything recorded post now. even if its in a response from the bloody coning fuckers know as the Department for Work and pensions about them stopping my job seekers for "failing to attend a prearranged meeting" that I never received an invitation to. Any letter I receive from now on, if it does not benefit me I send a notice off straight away. NOTIFICATION OF REQUEST FOR INFORMATION under the freedom of information act. I can choose to act as my legal person and use these acts against them ( but you r really have to know what you are claiming, facts and evidence. When you do they have to obey or as in the notice you can claim failure to act in accordance is a breech of trust or contract or (there words) the law. Its just having the confidence to walk the path. "there is a big difference between knowing the path and walking it" But seriously, whats the worst that can happen? Can they kill us, can they cause serious bodily harm, yes they can, but why they don't is because if they do, we will take them down, same with our private property.