Monarchy has had it's day bye bye

[Thomas]

I meant proof that there was no coercion, involved. I.E, prove that the Queen has knowingly and willingly committed an act of treason. Since you are attempting to make a lawful argument, you must adhere to the principles of the law, one very important aspect of which is the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven. If you don't stick strictly to the principles of the law, then your departing from the rule of law, and your argument is not a lawful one, but a political one, and your politics are those of blood and vengeance.

Positive proof:

With video proof: knowingly and willingly committed acts of treason. And is all on tape.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/e2go.html

To view the exhibits on record and proof: knowingly and willingly committed acts of treason.
http://jforjustice.co.uk/exhibits.html

[frogmanbrabs]

You're wasting your time Thomas HVYMTL has decided that whatever he says is right and true and when a man dishonours another he loses. HVYMTL is just trying to justify his comments now by becoming aggressive. I believe he is just a Troll who is looking for a fight and on that basis I will end my participation in this conversation.

Namastehttp://www.tpuc.org/forum/postin ... 0&t=42241#

[HVYMTL]

That's just not true at all, and tbh if some letters on a screen upset and offend you that's not my problem... diddums.. does it hurt your eyes? if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

I just watched the video footage, I've seen that before, but as I was watching I noticed the wording of the Oath was "to the limits of your power"... what power? My point is the Queen has no power, and no royal has for centuries. It's completely illogical to suggest that someone with no power is guilty of a crime punishable by death for failing to exercise power that they don't in fact have. If you can't understand that simple premise, your either a moron, or your failing to understand it on purpose probably due to holding an agenda which is contrary to the constitution and traditions of our country, and in my honest opinion that makes you every bit as much of a treasonous scum bag as the politicians who got us in this mess in the first place.

Your not going to achieve ANYTHING at all, by levelling patently absurd accusations and unfounded accusations at The Queen, and thus distracting attention from the real culprits like Ted Heath, Phony Blair, and Gordon the gold selling Clown.

Now unless you have proof that the Queen has power that she has failed to exercise, and that said failure was a freely taken, IE not coerced, choice then your accusations are utterly redundant and pointless. Even if you can come up with such proof, I would still want to know the MOTIVES behind the failure, why did the The Queen let the politicians destroy the country and her position willingly... it does not make sense that she would do that, what is in it for Her?

Your saying a crime has been committed, and I am listening to your case, but you don't appear to have anything to say with regard to reason and motive and opportunity. Without such you can bleat on about treason all you want, but you just sound like yet another stupid sheeple with a grudge.

I have to live in whatever is coming to us as well you know.. I have emotions about it, and ANGER at being let down, but at the end of the day someone has to be objective here, to call out the BULLSHIT, and tell the idiots to STFU when they are talking UTTER CRAP.

If you can't even convince me, then how the hell do you think your going to convince a Judge?

Now obviously the Barons decided that it was appropriate to enact article 61 back in 2001, that is damn good evidence that the system has failed to secure the rights and freedoms of the people, and it makes lawful provision for the people to rise up and wage war on the Royals and to seize their lands and castles. When that document was written that was a real threat against a real monarch who had real power, but what good is it in modern times to apply pressure and death threats against a helpless old woman and her husband who known is for talking to his house plants? (or was that charles, I really can't remember).... point is, if they don't have any power anyway, you can threaten them all you like but your just flogging a dead horse while the real traitors are laughing at your STUPIDITY whilst our country is being raped and carved up like a christmas turkey.

They literally want you to be doing exactly what your doing... attacking the monarchy, removing any remaining chance that people might figure out what is going on and turn round to support the monarchy and their authority to dissolve parliament. Like it or not we are a democracy, and the people's support must be present for the Queen to use the power of dissolution otherwise she is acting ULTRA VIRES (beyond power).

[Thomas]

to the limits of your power".

It doesn't say that at all. And we are all responsible, you even said that the book has to stop somewhere in your justification for a Monarchy now you absolve that and every one else too with regards to personal responsibility.

The Queen let the politicians destroy the country and her position willingly... it does not make sense that she would do that, what is in it for Her?

She's doing fine mate with her banking families (but things will change eventually; hopefully it won't be Russia, China, etc that force it on all of us.)

[HVYMTL]

REALITY CHECK

What exactly do you want The Queen to do about the situation we are in? Do you want her to countermand the democratic process which has us chained to Europe and Act as a Dictatorial Interfering Monarch or is the Monarchy out of date and irrelevant to modern times?

If you say the Queen should act and infact it is a crime not to, then you say we do actually need a Monarch to put things right when they go wrong...

or

If you say the Monarchy is irrelevant, obsolete and a waste of money, then you say that Democracy needs no such restraints and since democracy has resulted in our joining the EU, that it is correct and right that we should forget all about the Magna Carta and Lawful Rebellion, and concentrate on being good little European citizens of our brand new communist dictatorship of a country.

The Queen cannot act without the will of the people to back her up, potentially as far as it takes even if that means going into another war with Europe, or She may well end up paying for meddling in Politics with her LIFE, just as Charles I did when he meddled with politics and lost to Cromwell.

Your choice.

Do you ;

a) Quit bitching about the impotence of the Monarch and start helping to wake people up in order to empower the Monarch to act

or

b) Carry on bitching and trying to convince everyone what we need is to rid ourselves of our monarch because you would feel a lot better off living under communist rule as long as there is an extra £3 a year in your pocket.

[HVYMTL]

to the limits of your power".

It doesn't say that at all.

YES IT DOES.

Here is an transcript : source http://www.royal.gov.uk/ImagesandBroadcasts/Historic%20speeches%20and%20broadcasts/CoronationOath2June1953.aspx


Madam, is your Majesty willing to take the Oath?

And the Queen answering,

I am willing.

The Archbishop shall minister these questions; and The Queen, having a book in her hands, shall answer each question severally as follows:

Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

Queen. I solemnly promise so to do.

Archbishop. Will you to your power cause Law and Justice, in Mercy, to be executed in all your judgements?

Queen. I will.

Archbishop. Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?

Queen. All this I promise to do.

And we are all responsible, you even said that the book has to stop somewhere in your justification for a Monarchy now you absolve that and every one else too with regards to personal responsibility.

I absolved nothing. I merely pointed out that the actual Oath taken requires the Queen to do as much as it is possible to the limit of Her power. The problem is the Oath was written when the Monarch had a lot more power than The Queen has in modern times. As far as I can see it is not the concept of Monarchy that is the problem, it is the fact that the Monarchy has been hamstrung by Parliament over the centuries as Parliament has been worming it's way towards absolute sovereignty, a process started by Cromwell and continuing to this day.

The Queen let the politicians destroy the country and her position willingly... it does not make sense that she would do that, what is in it for Her?

She's doing fine mate with her banking families (but things will change eventually; hopefully it won't be Russia, China, etc that force it on all of us.)

Oh yeh.. right, and of course being one of 500 richest people in the world under the thumb of the banksters like all the other fiat funny money billionaires are, is totally preferable to being The Queen of ENGLAND and the head of the Common Wealth... makes perfect sense... er NOT.

Maybe your right... maybe she just got bored of being the Queen, and decided to throw the towel in and subject everyone including herself and her heirs and successors, to life under the New World Order global communist regime for the rest of the length of humanity. Maybe She reckons she doesn't need the civil lists to maintain her position, and she can just make Wills and Harry get real jobs and pay some rent to pull their weight for a change. Who, knows... maybe She has gone senile in her old age. If so I would point out that Senility is a fairly good defence against criminal charges, about the same strength as a plea of insanity as far as I am aware.

[primate72]

i think it comes down to the fact that even the queen knows she has been born into something she has had no power over or it is out of her control.one thing we must remember in all this is the fact that she is only trying to protect her family.many may not realise this,but she has in fact been in a position and not of her own doing been placed in a position that is of no relevence today,a mascot,so what should she do,or what should we do.it is obvious to many that we have not had a true monarchy for a very long time.and if we had then we imo would not be in the mess we are in today.i dont know how else to put this but imo the pope holds all authority over all of us,unless we wake up and say that the king of the past had no right to hand over powers to the popes then we will continue down the path that we are on.i feel for the queen as it is clearly obvious that she has her hands tied.yes she may have signed many statutes into law,but didnt the politicians make sure that royal accent was just a stamping process,any bill that they passed was just that.there has been treason commited here,but who is behind all this.the one that hides in a place of worship springs to mind.if we want out of this then the ones to blame if there is any is the pope or roman catholic church.they dont even touch money as it is cursed.the curse is the currency that many still think is real.the illusion is usuary.get rid of that then we are laughing.we do need someone to say where the buck stops.but it has to be one of us.

[primate72]

she is just a mascot.the politicians know this,but the unsuspecting public do not.i do think we need a ruler but one that does see all as equal.i feel this day is just around the corner.i have lost hope,and i care not for obumma's change either.

Just a mascot who happens to be the richest woman (and her family with her banking family) in the world at the expense of everybody else but the 1%. I.E the New World Order.

absolutely thomas i agree fully to what you state,but there is pure evil lurking in the darkness.you know this im sure.
she and her family are not at the top of this structure you know this to be true.i know where you come from and where you stand in all this.good will prevail there is positive and negative in all that matters,and the negative ones have had there time,it's our time now.love wins thomas.

[primate72]

to lay blame with the queen is not entirely correct.although i can see the legality of her coronation to be null and void.as a have said before we have not had a true monarch for centuries.


http://www.britannia.com/history/docs/johncon.html

[HVYMTL]

Just a mascot who happens to be the richest woman (and her family with her banking family) in the world at the expense of everybody else but the 1%. I.E the New World Order.

Wrong. The Queen is far from the richest woman in the world. She's not even in the top 100 wealthiest list. Bill Gates for instance is well over 10x more wealthy, and has obtained that wealth in the space of a single generation through ruthless and quasi-legal monopolistic business practices.

As far as I can tell the real wealthiest elite are the Rothschild Banking family who as far as I know own over half the worlds wealth and are behind all the wars, funding both sides of any conflict.

The Rothschilds are not under any form of restraining Oath system to serve and protect the people, and I sincerely doubt they will stop doing what they are doing until they have the whole of humanity, including us and our elderly Queen, under their thumb and enslaved to them.

They will in all likelyhood use the principles of jealousy,hatred and bigotry to secure the bars of the cage into which they will place humanity, by keeping powerless figureheads in luxurious cages to be the focal point of the sheeples hate and jealousy coming from their poverty cages. The media will propagate the bullshit perpetually and anyone who shows any signs of figuring out how it works will be eliminated, thus keeping mankind enslaved to their Rothschild owners forever.

But do carry on bitching about the Queen if it makes you feel better, the Rothschilds thank you for your loyalty and support.