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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby SilentDiver » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:49 pm

HVYMTL wrote:@SilentDiver

Your comments are off topic.

I request that OTHER moderators remove the above comment and this one. This topic is too important to be derailed by petty ego driven personal attacks or admonishments.


Your response to my arguably off-topic comments is also off-topic, how about more than three words on your original proposition ? - you never know, you might get somebody interested enough to comment on it rather than your unnecessarily combative presentation.

I do appreciate you dropping the sig though, thanks.
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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby HVYMTL » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:55 pm

@SilentDiver

Your comments are off topic.

I request that OTHER moderators remove the above comment and this one. This topic is too important to be derailed by petty ego driven personal attacks or admonishments.


(re: sig, no problem.)
(btw, I'm not going to be drawn on responding to any off topic comment with anything other than the standard off topic notice above and request for moderator action)
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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby SilentDiver » Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:58 pm

HVYMTL wrote:(btw, I'm not going to be drawn on responding to any off topic comment with anything other than the standard off topic notice above and request for moderator action)

So if I just say 'wibble', you'll post exactly the same again ? - you're a regular vending machine mate.

Wibble.
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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby HVYMTL » Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:04 pm

@SilentDiver

Your comments are off topic.

I request that OTHER moderators remove the above comment and this one. This topic is too important to be derailed by attempts to divert me from making standard off topic notices.

As for the comment that I should make an argument for people to respond to, that is not my intention here, this thread is for others to have their say not me, I am merely going to continue placing off topic notices as above, and if anyone actually posts anything ON topic I will engage in the discussion under the same rules, I.E, should I go off topic I expect to have the same notice issued to me.

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My comments are off topic.

I request that moderators remove my comments. This topic is too important to be derailed by explaining how it will be kept orderly and on topic.
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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby SilentDiver » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:44 pm

Wibble.
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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby Freeman Stephen » Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:46 pm

The entity known as "Her Majesty" is the absolute power in the UK as far as all the legislation goes and as many of you will be aware, it is by legislation that violent men claim the right to break the law. What exactly "Her Majesty" is, is a big question depending who you ask and in what context. If the context is "Is the queen the absolute ruler of the UK", those who are under the banner of "her majesty" will claim "her majesty" is not the queen, but a collusion of various checks and balances to ensure there is constitutional government. Ask the same people what "her majesty" in a different context where the lack of checks and balances are laid out and soon they will tell you that "her majesty" is the queen.

Regardless of who or what "Her Majesty" is, the people will either love it or be too fearful to express any criticism of the entity, despite their dissonant belief that they live in a free democracy. It is certainly a delusion for those express their love for the entity, because even if it was an actual natural human being capable of appreciating such, how did it come to pass that "her majesty" wields that power that it does?

Popular culture would suggest that we all just got together one day and decided "wouldn't it be jolly spiffing if we had a king who would keep us all in line" then everyone agreed to be ruled by king and we all lived happily ever after. However, history relates that far from "agreement" and "jolly spiffing", we have mass murder, rape and pillage as family tribes were slowly enveloped into the mechanism of involuntary bondage from birth that the people seem so blindly fond of today.

It is a desirable thing that human beings should all get along, but insurance of this by way of the threat of violence from an elite set of humans is not consistent with the idea of "getting along". People are naturally free to choose their own leaders, or even lead themselves, but this is often met by devastating agression when the elite gang of thugs do not get their way. I dont think its useful for the furtherance of humanity to assist in consolidating the power of the strong over the weak.
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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby HVYMTL » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:26 pm

The question to my mind is this; do we actually need leaders at all?

Definition : to "lead"

1. To be first; be ahead.
2. To go first as a guide.
3. To act as commander, director, or guide.

The notion we need a leader presupposes the notion that we need to move in a direction which we are incapable of finding without that leader, that we are lost in a darkened maze.

Maybe that was true once, but is it true now?

Do we actually need to go anywhere at all, or have we already arrived at the destination, as in, now that we have had the renaissance and enlightenment, and our scientific and technological progress is accelerating exponentially, are we not already, or at the very least already on a course to, the final destination?

If we do not need leaders then what are these suited people doing in Parliament exactly? As far as I can see they are clinging onto old outdated rhetorical garbage such as the democracy delusion in order to fool the people into handing over a large fraction of their wealth to a parasitical banking elite.

These people are not 'leading' us anywhere, they are simply manipulating what already exists into further production of wealth that can then be confiscated and funnelled upwards to the people who control them, so that those people can further entrench and expand their ability to confiscate more wealth in the future.

The Parliamentary system which has been corrupted and co-opted by the parasitical elite class has only one Achilles heal in that it can be lawfully dissolved by the Monarch, but all available evidence, including John's Affidavit, points to the conclusion that the Monarch has been induced into unlawful captivity and is unable to make that move. (The Monarch is in Check, possibly Check-Mate)

The question then is what other pieces in the "game" are holding the Soveriegn in check, and how can their influence be removed. This further begs the question, do we actually want "God" to "Save" the Queen, or are these terms all actually non-sense delusions?

Charlie Veitch asked on one of his videos, is there actually such thing as a Prince?

Prof Richard Dawkins promotes in his book The God Delusion that there is no deity in the first instance to do any "saving".

So therefore we have "None-existent-thing" Save "The ordinary person lots of people delusionally refer to as The Queen".

None of any of this stuff actually advances scientific progress, and the lifting of the billions from poverty. The upkeep costs of the "game" is insignificant in terms of the financial system itself, but we have to ask what does it actually achieve, if anything?

So if these people are all delusional, and everyone who plays or supports the "game" is also delusional, who then are our real leaders? Who is actually taking us in the right direction?

I would submit that it is the world's scientists and prominent theoretical physicists like Dr Michio Kaku and Prof Stephen Hawking who are the true leaders in this age, and that what we need to do is contemplate a paradigm shift whereby we reorganise the "game" such that we maximise the benefit their work is bringing us by following their lead.

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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby HVYMTL » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:57 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EobJXARyBc



Believe me, the above is not off topic.

Can you see item which appears in both of these videos?
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Re: The Monarchy Delusion

Postby Freeman Stephen » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:23 pm

If given the opportunity, the monarch, like any other creature would act in their own interests. It is my view that having leaders is important since it is easy to determine the outcome of a confrontation between a well ordered group and a group that is in disarray. I do acknowledge that the interests of the current leaders are in conflict with the interests of the people and what would be ideal would be leaders whose personal goals were in harmony with those of the people. Its pure speculation based on marketing of personality cult proportions to consider the interests of one of the crowned heads of europe would be harmonic to the goals of the people of ordinary indoctrination who should call them sir out of respect for the brutality of their superiors forebears.
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