Is all this FREEMAN, FEE SCHEDULE etc stuff really TRUE?

[Free4ever]

I've been doing my research.

I've since stumbled upon doubts of the MAGNA CARTA (as to which one is valid and then which parts of it according to Law and Statute Law).

I've also stumbled upon posts on this very forum which are saying that It's all outdated and won't really work.

In every youtube video that I see on court proceedings, I never seem to see the Sovereign win.


Please Help Me Somebody - I Want to be Free of these chains and part of True England.

[startfresh]

its all true and legal,how ever the govt and constables dont do it, freshy

[Irie I]

Well my friend, it would seem a little more research is required. Only you can free yourself, you dont need permission from anybody else. As for being a part of true England I think its a little late for that [if such a thing ever existed].

[Freeman Stephen]

If it says on a piece of paper hailed as the founding document of the english constitution that everyone are entitled to a certain set of rights forever more and the people charged with protecting those rights now infringe them systemically. No one is winning in pointless unlawful court battles but the constitution is losing. High profile court cases are highlighting the fact that the governing agencies are breaking the law but this message is not getting through to tv addicts who believe its lawful for the governing agencies to do whatever they please and make up the law of the country as they please even when its against the constitution and without any mandate other than their own greed for power at the expense of everyones rights. By the way i'm scottish but just throwing my tuppence worth in because the same behaviour is occurring here and elsewhere more and more especially since maastricht in europe and 911 in north america.

[hurn]

Please Help Me Somebody - I Want to be Free of these chains and part of True England.

you can only help yourself m8 and do you really want a true england run by idiots who think your kids should be up the chimneys and down the mines at the age of 5 cmon this country has a legal slave system that you pay into to run and fund

[ourfreeworld]

Stephen, I can't sent PM's yet on the forum - sent an email to your personal email account 3 days ago - can you check & answer this? Thanks

[Free4ever]

O.K. then, forget the True England bit.

Which Magna Carta still stands?

[Freeman Stephen]

If you ask the government, none of them do, just bits and pieces of them that are convenient to them depending on the circumstances. The one held in english landmarks like westminster cathedral is the 1215 magna carta, which is the original with article 61 in it. If its of no relevance, as the government claim, then why cant they have it removed from these landmark locations as the piece of grafiti they tend to treat it as? The government is breaking the law. Its that simple.

[HVYMTL]

Over the last couple of years of studying all this and trying to cut through the bullshit to get at the actual truth I've come to the conclusion that the freeman concept is bogus.

Now don't get me wrong... I'm not saying we are all slaves and no one is free, or that there is no way to become free, merely that when you get right down to it, the only slavery is ignorance and it's the truth that sets you free. Everything else is smoke and mirrors designed to muddy the waters and create confusion, to bollox (set in confusion) the general public in order to create revenue streams from their inability to defend themselves robustly.

We live in a Constitutional Monarchy, and believe it or not we are actually very lucky to have been born in such a position. We are all subjects of The Queen, and we are all always liable for our actions.... but, and it's a big but, the system is not a dictatorship or a tyranny, much as certain elements in the country and on the continent are attempting to pervert it into one.

The key to freedom is not in ancient documents or in removing oneself from the system or in declaring oneself free and not subject to the law, the key is in understanding the law and the position you hold which is your birthright as a sovereign citizen of a sovereign nation.

To understand what is going on, and why you feel like a slave to the suits in London and Brussels, and to understand how to turn the tables around, you need to become familiar with the concept of presumptions in law.

Presumptions are made all the time and they stand as truth unless rebutted. For instance a presumption that many will be familiar with is the presumption of innocence which holds that a person is innocent until proven guilty. That is one of the most important presumptions that are built into the law and one of the most important aspects of the law which need to be upheld and defended at all costs.

Another less well understood presumption that is routinely made by policy officers is that you are also an officer and a subordinate one to them under their authority and jurisdiction. Most, something probably like 99% of the force don't even know they are making this presumption because it goes back hundreds of years and it's just always been like this so they just carry on without questioning it.

The thing is, that since you don't work for the government and your not an agent of the government, the legislations made by parliament don't apply to you any more than the internal corporate policy of Tesco's applies to you if your not one of their employees.

As I mentioned presumptions in law stand as truth unless rebutted, so when they make the silent presumption that you are one of their employees, and you don't rebut that presumption because you don't know they were making it, then it stands as truth that you are one of their employees and can be disciplined as such under their rules for employees.

This can be a tricky concept to understand and put into practice, so for further information I strongly recommend the videos on youtube by Dean Clifford, his presentation on the subject is the clearest and most concise I have ever seen and you will do yourself massive favours by watching and studying all the materials he has put up on line.

[frogmanbrabs]

Good post HVYMTL so in essence what we should do then if arrested by plod is point out that we are not employees of the government and get them to write that down? I was also told to mention something about the UCC section oh I can't remember the number but apparently that also covers you.