Hello Fellow men and woman of the land

[Geronimo]

Perhaps if the people got up off their arses instead of sitting like lounge lizards and actually voted (them then having a choice) before the polling staions shut we wouldn't be stuck with these fkn crooks.

You think voting makes a difference? The parties are just multiple heads of the same body!

[JoboPooks]

Perhaps if the people got up off their arses instead of sitting like lounge lizards and actually voted (them then having a choice) before the polling stations shut we wouldn't be stuck with these fkn crooks.

You think voting makes a difference? The parties are just multiple heads of the same body!

True....at present because up until recently they've got away with murder, but now people are waking up and the crooks realise people are moving from the pubs and social clubs to The Internet; that's why they want to control it.

A government wherein the people get a say and are included in the decision making as it rolls on is what we need. This kind of democracy that gets shut of the posh boys and installs real people with honest motives shouldn't be scoffed at.

[Geronimo]

Perhaps if the people got up off their arses instead of sitting like lounge lizards and actually voted (them then having a choice) before the polling staions shut we wouldn't be stuck with these fkn crooks.

You think voting makes a difference? The parties are just multiple heads of the same body!

True....at present because up until recently they've got away with murder, but now people are waking up and the crooks realise people are moving fromthe pubs and social clubs to The Internet; that's why they want to control it.

A government wherein the people get a say and are included in the decision making as it rolls on is what we need. This kind of democracy that gets shut of the posh boys and installs real people with honest motives shouldn't be scoffed at.

But at the moment voting is just tweaking the status quo...so those NOT voting are actually doing more to bring about a difference than those who are voting.

[JoboPooks]

You think voting makes a difference? The parties are just multiple heads of the same body!

But at the moment voting is just tweaking the status quo...so those NOT voting are actually doing more to bring about a difference than those who are voting.[/quote]
Don't agree. The last fiasco might well have meant the difference between a Labour (sorry, Toy Tory) leadership and a real Tory one. A two-headed monster, of course, but a watered down one is better than the full blown thing when you're fighting for the right changes.

[Geronimo]

You think voting makes a difference? The parties are just multiple heads of the same body!

But at the moment voting is just tweaking the status quo...so those NOT voting are actually doing more to bring about a difference than those who are voting.

Don't agree. The last fiasco might well have meant the difference between a Labour (sorry, Toy Tory) leadership and a real Tory one. A two-headed monster, of course, but a watered down one is better than the full blown thing when you're fighting for the right changes.

More none voters than voters, should the minorities wishes be forced onto the majority?

[Carole]

Don't be rediculous.....There'd be fkn chaos.....

There are so many dirty scumbags about that we'd end up with the fkn plague again ffs....
This is something someone over-high on skunk would say. It's tantamount to agreeing with privatisation with all these little companies fighting for contracts. Look what privatisation has done to the railways, the transport systems, the hospitals and the utilities companies. You are actually wanting what already exists in a way. Perhaps if the people got up off their arses instead of sitting like lounge lizards and actually voted (them then having a choice) before the polling staions shut we wouldn't be stuck with these fkn crooks. Perhaps if the people got together and demanded more control over issues through referendums and demanded a real Labour Party get its act together, we might see the utilities and hospitals and the like moving back to where they belong, with the profits ploughed back to create growth and jobs rather than into the already bulging pockets of the filthy rich fat cats......

- JoboPooks

No. There wouldn't be chaos. It would work well. Along with preserving said principle. I don't know what you mean by 'dirty scumbags'. I live on the bottom of the societal barrel and I don't recognise such people. Perhaps you're seeing your own reflection in them.

I am not 'over-high on skunk'. Tho I find those that are tend to speak more sense than you.

Tho I also share concerns with you about using private companies for local services. We appear to have been fed to profiteering vampires. In return for a cut.

I don't vote. It just encourages them. Neither did 68% of the UK population. It's 'these fkn crooks' that organise the elections. To give you the illusion that you have any power - you don't. Dream on and continue perpetuating their lie.

Referendums? Labour Party? You still believe that script? The Labour Party are the B side to the Conservatives. With LibDems there just to confuse. I'm a coalminer's daughter. All my family were Labour supporters. Not any more. We've seen the political light. Look how well they all lie in bed together. Even men and women have their occasional differences, but this lot? - no.

Suits are just another uniform. As the courts have their scripts and roles to play so do these political critters. Also with their economy speak. All designed to con you into thinking you're something other than a slave.

But yes, I too would like to see it all changed and have any funds ploughed back into local jobs and growth. Just not at the expense of reduced services, diminishing wages and money in providers banks. Councils would have to be the employers for that.

[Geronimo]

Don't be rediculous.....There'd be fkn chaos.....

There are so many dirty scumbags about that we'd end up with the fkn plague again ffs....
This is something someone over-high on skunk would say. It's tantamount to agreeing with privatisation with all these little companies fighting for contracts. Look what privatisation has done to the railways, the transport systems, the hospitals and the utilities companies. You are actually wanting what already exists in a way. Perhaps if the people got up off their arses instead of sitting like lounge lizards and actually voted (them then having a choice) before the polling staions shut we wouldn't be stuck with these fkn crooks. Perhaps if the people got together and demanded more control over issues through referendums and demanded a real Labour Party get its act together, we might see the utilities and hospitals and the like moving back to where they belong, with the profits ploughed back to create growth and jobs rather than into the already bulging pockets of the filthy rich fat cats......

- JoboPooks

No. There wouldn't be chaos. It would work well. Along with preserving said principle. I don't know what you mean by 'dirty scumbags'. I live on the bottom of the societal barrel and I don't recognise such people. Perhaps you're seeing your own reflection in them.

I am not 'over-high on skunk'. Tho I find those that are tend to speak more sense than you.

Tho I also share concerns with you about using private companies for local services. We appear to have been fed to profiteering vampires. In return for a cut.

I don't vote. It just encourages them. Neither did 68% of the UK population. It's 'these fkn crooks' that organise the elections. To give you the illusion that you have any power - you don't. Dream on and continue perpetuating their lie.

Referendums? Labour Party? You still believe that script? The Labour Party are the B side to the Conservatives. With LibDems there just to confuse. I'm a coalminer's daughter. All my family were Labour supporters. Not any more. We've seen the political light. Look how well they all lie in bed together. Even men and women have their occasional differences, but this lot? - no.

Suits are just another uniform. As the courts have their scripts and roles to play so do these political critters. Also with their economy speak. All designed to con you into thinking you're something other than a slave.

But yes, I too would like to see it all changed and have any funds ploughed back into local jobs and growth. Just not at the expense of reduced services, diminishing wages and money in providers banks. Councils would have to be the employers for that.

Yup.

[Freeman Stephen]

Roads and fire and defence are fine things but you dont get a choice to only pay for the services you want. Its all or nothing and even the services everyone wants are chalk full of timewasters and unnecessary perks. How much does the nhs spend sending their staff to conferences for a couple of hours of boring talk they could get online as the excuse for three days of socialising. That's just one example of what is being done with the money that's left after the heritage trust and the like have scammed a bill free existence for the real government.

[GrahamS]

This was only supposed to be a quick hello i didnt mean to start pages and pages of discussion but I said this in the council tax topic of the forum

Hmm. I totally get what your saying Ben. But so many times this year money has been very tight and still is. And if it comes to spending 140 feeding my kids or paying my council tax then the decision is already made.

The day could come when I will not be able to pay at all and if that does happen then in for a penny in for pound as we say.

Twice I have had notices and its on purpose, now I will let them spend time and money chasing me and when it gets to the final minute I will pay then it all starts again. I cancelled my direct debit and I only pay when I get a notice. Make them work for it I say, why make it easy for them.....(oh crap I just realised that its all automated )

The funny thing is a did see some where a breakdown of where the money goes and a percentage goes on fresh water and drainage......HTFO didn't I just pay my water authority for that??

The truth is I would rather spend the money sanding down my balls than give it to them.

Anyway as you rightly say I am on the journey. And I will be spending a lot of time now reshaping my mentality and learning how to interact correctly with the law so that if and when the day comes that I have to confront injustice upon me directly then hopefully I will be able to handle myself.

Thanks for the reality check, I did come in quite fired up purely because since the beginning of last week I have been vigorously looking for more info after seeing John Harris 's illusion talk, would love to see more from him.

I'm not sure how to link to the other thread and this was my second post on the forum. after this quick hello

[Etype]

GrahamS wrote

The day could come when I will not be able to pay at all and if that does happen then in for a penny in for pound as we say.

Don't make the mistake of refusing to pay, or ignoring their bill, stay in honour, your Birth Certificate is a Trust and you are the Administrator/Beneficiary of that Trust. you can charge them your administration charges to pay their bill's.

Check out Dean Clifford http://www.time4thetruth.info/p/dean-clifford.html

Of course your fees could be always be a little bit higher then theirs

I am not a lawyer. I do not give legal advice. I don't take shit either.

Best regards

Freeman Simon