The Difference Between Common and Civil Law

[Etype]

To Mr SbutC ......Moved from Drivin Licence

So what do you want me to say then? Because you won't like it and you will still insist that it is all bollocks! OK here we go then! And this is deadly serious, no joking here.

COMMON LAW

Ultimately common law comes from God. The bible is God's last will and testament (which is why it's divided into testaments), God went away and left us, i.e. man/woman dominion over the earth?

Since it is well known that God made us in his image, then we are all equal. No man/woman can tell another what to do. I believe the word used to describe this is Sovereign and if you want to say that means we all have the rights of a King or a Queen, then yes we do!

I suppose it does depend on what you believe God to be, or if in fact you believe in God at all. Everyone has his or her own belief, but let's just start with WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL. No man/woman has authority over another, and if we are all equal we can all do what we want can't we?

Well no, because what if what I want to do interferes with the rights of another man or woman? Then that would not be equal would it? So some rules are obviously necessary to stop self centered arrogant people spoiling other people's enjoyment of the planet. But that's just common sense is it not?

Which is what God's Law is based on. So since we believe Jesus walked on the earth around 2000 years ago and we did not know about God until Jesus taught us, Gods Law has been around for 2000 years, (sorry I don't think we lived in caves and wore animal skins then) Philosophers over the ages (call them whatever you want, take the piss if you want) came up with Gods Law based on a system of common sense where we could all live together without falling out and killing each other. (That's the theory)

I stand by my statement :-
"OK your basic human rights are any rights that do not negatively affect the rights of others. In other words you can do anything you want if it does not negatively affect the rights of someone else, and they can do whatever they want if it does not negatively affect you."

So Common Law is God's Law or if you don't believe in God it's Natural Law or the Law of the Land, and it all comes down to the simplicity of "CAUSE NO HARM" and if you have caused no harm to a living soul you have not broken the law "NO CORPUS DELICTI = NO CRIME"

So now let's move on to CIVIL LAW

Civil Law is Corporate Law or the Law of Contract, our friend vanilla said to me, "you don't understand contract law" which is my point. None of us are supposed to understand contract law that why the Freemasons (sorry The law Society) invented the language of legalese so they could say the law is so complicated only a Lawyer/Barrister can understand it.

So this is what I understand about Contract Law "IT REQUIRES A CONTRACT!" a contract they can't show you or even produce in court, because they don't have it, and you never signed it, and if you ask for proof of the said contract, their entire act/pantomime goes poooof in a cloud of smoke.

Because that's all it is, smoke and mirrors (read bullshit). Just make sure you are in a common law jurisdiction, You CAN open a common law court of record ANYWHERE. (Remember you are SOVEREIGN) So announce in their court that you are opening a Common Law Court of Record, and that all those present are here in your court voluntarily. They can do and say whatever they want, but they will all be held liable for their actions in your Jurisdiction, in the COMMON LAW.

Get out your note book and pencil and start taking names. Better still get their names before you drop the Common Law bombshell on them, they won't want to give you names after and then perjure themselves.

Just watch those shady magistrates run out of the court into the side room so they can have a little confab and decide what to do next.

We have seen it all over Youtube again and again so don't tell me it does not happen.

Why won't a Magistrate give his oath? Because his oath is "I swear to her majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second to uphold the law and find in favour of all people". PEOPLE! That's me and you! Not PERSONS! That's a fictional entity. So he will be committing perjury if he gives his oath because he represents the crown. Therefore he can't represent you. That would be "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" This would call into question "DUE PROCESS OF LAW" and so the "RIGHT TO A FAIR TRIAL" to a Magistrate that's a big deal. It says he is not competent to do his job ie has no jurisdiction. If he does not give his oath the court is not in session and again he has no jurisdiction, unless YOU believe he does. And the court is just a room unless you believe its a court.

So now you have opened your common law court of record. You have your notebook and pencil to hand to record events. Start by swearing a "STATEMENT OF TRUTH"

ie While I am here in your court, I am convening my own 'Common Law' court of record. Every single one of you here voluntarily in my court, is responsible for everything you say and everything you do.

For my record I would like you to know that I do solemnly swear/affirm before God that

I am innocent as a man, of any charges.

I have caused no harm, and have broken no contract.

I have no contract with these people.(The Crown)

There is no injury.

No causative action.

No statement of any valid claim.

They do not have any Jurisdiction over me because I am not an agent of the government, local or national.

If you believe this affidavit/statement of truth is in error I demand you produce a payroll with my name on it as proof of your claim!

I also demand to see proof of a valid enforceable contract between me and the claimant.

I demand proof of an act by me that constitutes a breach of that contract.

I demand proof of an injury suffered by the claimant due to a breach of that contract.

If anyone rebuts what I have just said I will name you, and drag you into my jurisdiction. Is anyone rebutting what I just said?

End of statement of truth.

No one in court will rebut this because it would have to be sworn as an oath that would mean them lying under oath and that is perjury. Since no one is rebutting your statement of truth it stands. There is no case to answer. This is your common law court so dismiss the court.

"Court dismissed there is no case to answer"

Of course it is more likely that the magistrates after their little confab will realise they are on a hiding to nothing and instruct the Police/Bailiffs to throw you out of your own court hearing, (as happened to Roger Hayes).

Best Regards

Freeman Simon

[Etype]

Mr SbutC Wrote

I know for a fact that you aren't religious yourself Simon, and you find belief in God to be contemptible. So since you're now invoking God as the basis of your belief, you're now basically lieing to me about why you believe what you do.

I'm in a rush right now, so I'll come back to the rest of your post later.

You are right I'm an Atheist, so I did say what ever you believe God to be, or if you don't even believe in God, and gave the alternative of Natural Law.

Me not believing in God does not mean I don't believe we are all equal. And I will add I don't find belief in god to be contemptible so don't try to put words in my mouth.

I find religion to be about control of the masses and its most religions I find to be contemptible, I do not Believe in victimising the victims of religion.

My only post about religion is here viewtopic.php?f=73&t=38440&start=40

Feel free to try and prove I said I have contempt for people who believe in God, also calling people a liar sounds like slander/deformation of character to me if you cant back it up.

Best Regards, I have to rush as well so toodaloo.

Freeman Simon

[SbutC]

I'll retract the word "contemptible", I agree it was too strong for the point I was making. 

Also calling people a liar sounds like slander/deformation of character to me if you cant back it up.

There isn't much need to back anything up, you've done it all for me. 

How do you mentally reconcile the fact that you typed the sentence:

The bible is God's last will and testament (which is why it's divided into testaments), God went away and left us, i.e. man/woman dominion over the earth

when you have no belief whatsoever that it is true? 

Or:

Since it is well known that God made us in his image, then we are all equal.

Since the discussion was about where you, Freeman Simon, believed "common law" originated from, offering this as your explanation *is a lie* because it is *not* what you believe! 

Plain and simple! 

Interestingly, it's not actually your belief at all(!), but something you parrot almost word for word from Dean Clifford, who *DOES* believe that we are all executors and beneficiaries of God's last will and testament. 

You're so confused by all the things you've read and watched that you haven't managed to separate your own beliefs from Dean's! Then you come here and start telling people things you say are "facts" but which are formed of religious opinion that you personally disagree with, and that you're a person who always thinks for himself but you demonstrate here that you do nothing of the sort, because you're happy to assert things you don't believe just because someone you respect once said them!

SbutC

[SbutC]

COMMON LAW
 
Ultimately common law comes from God. The bible is God's last will and testament (which is why it's divided into testaments), God went away and left us, i.e. man/woman dominion over the earth?

 
You don't believe this yourself, so why are you using it as your explanation of where common law comes from? The reason is that common law is *your opinion* of what law should be, and not what law actually is or ever has been, and therefore as an opinion it has no *factual* basis despite your repeated assertions that it does. This is the only point I’d like you to acknowledge, that “Common Law” is your belief of what the law *should* be in your own opinion.
 

Since it is well known that God made us in his image, then we are all equal.

 
Well known?! It isn't at all true, and you know it isn't true, so YOU DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU WROTE, so your statement "we are all equal" is without basis in your belief system!
 
Freeman Simon:
“B”
SbutC:
“Why B?”
Freeman Simon:
“If A is true, then B is true”
SbutC:
“But we both know that A [b]isn’t[b] true!”
Freeman Simon:
“I know it isn’t, but B is still true!”
SbutC:
“Ummm.. logic fail. Why B?”
 

No man/woman can tell another what to do. I believe the word used to describe this is Sovereign and if you want to say that means we all have the rights of a King or a Queen, then yes we do!

 
Again, what you mean here is “no man/woman SHOULD BE ABLE TO tell another what to do”, and this is your belief and not a fact. People tell other people what to do all the time in the real world, for various reasons. You need to learn to tell the difference between what are your beliefs and what are facts.
 

I suppose it does depend on what you believe God to be, or if in fact you believe in God at all. Everyone has his or her own belief, but let's just start with WE ARE ALL CREATED EQUAL. No man/woman has authority over another, and if we are all equal we can all do what we want can't we?
 
Well no, because what if what I want to do interferes with the rights of another man or woman? Then that would not be equal would it? So some rules are obviously necessary to stop self centered arrogant people spoiling other people's enjoyment of the planet. But that's just common sense is it not?

 
 
What you’re saying here is “Everyone has his or her own beliefs, but here are mine, and they are fact”. You concede very very briefly that other people have different beliefs to yours, but then immediately forget and promote your own beliefs as the only true ones.
 

Which is what God's Law is based on. So since we believe Jesus walked on the earth around 2000 years ago and we did not know about God until Jesus taught us. So Gods Law has been around for 2000 years (sorry I don't think we lived in caves and wore animal skins then) but the philosophers over the ages (call them whatever you want, take the piss if you want) came up with Gods Law based on a system of common sense where we could all live together without falling out and killing each other. (That's the theory)

 
You’re making this up! That’s my issue here - you haven’t a clue what you’re talking about, and you believe hardly any of what you’re saying! Belief in God/Yahweh predates Jesus by a *long* stretch. What we can truly assume to be “God’s law” is laid out in the Bible pretty clearly - it includes such classics as death sentences for rape victims that refuse to marry their rapist, and specific rules on when you can and can’t beat your slaves. What you’re talking about, your three “common laws” aren’t “God’s law” at all, but a belief system you subscribe to personally, something entirely different that is an *opinion* of what you think the law should be. It isn’t a factual, extant system of law, and it doesn’t have the historical origin you’re trying to paint a picture of.
 

I stand by my statement :-
"OK your basic human rights are any rights that do not negatively affect the rights of others. In other words you can do anything you want if it does not negatively affect the rights of someone else, and they can do whatever they want if it does not negatively affect you."
 
So Common Law is God's Law or if you don't believe in God it's Natural Law or the Law of the Land, and it all comes down to the simplicity of "CAUSE NO HARM" and if you have caused no harm to a living soul you have not broken the law "NO CORPUS DELICTI = NO CRIME"

 
What is it then?
 
God’s Law? You don’t believe in God.
Natural Law? What does this mean? You don’t define it anywhere.
Law of the Land? This “land” has many laws, you just don’t believe them and don’t want them.
 
“Common Law” remains undefined, because it is a matter of opinion and not fact!
 

So now let's move on to CIVIL LAW

 
I’m less interested in discussing this part at the moment, because Civil Law is a separate discussion entirely.
 
Fundamentally though, this:
 

There is no case to answer. This is your common law court so dismiss the court.
        
"Court dismissed there is no case to answer"

 
is utter fiction. By fiction I mean “things that only happen in your imagination, and not in the real world”.
 
SbutC

[Etype]

SbutC Wrote

How do you mentally reconcile the fact that you typed the sentence:
Etype wrote:The bible is God's last will and testament (which is why it's divided into testaments), God went away and left us, i.e. man/woman dominion over the earth


when you have no belief whatsoever that it is true?

Are you really that thick or is it just an act? it does not matter what I think! they believed it, so no matter what I think it's still Gods Law to them, and I know they believed it and they also believed we were all created equal.
All that has no connection to my belief that we are all created equal (but it does back it up) that fact has been obvious to me since as far back as I can remember, anyone who thinks we are not all equal is a complete psychopath and should be avoided.

It's just plain common sense we are all equal and besides you are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of religion so that has to cover zero belief in religion as well "Equal Opportunities Act" remember that?

Again, what you mean here is “no man/woman SHOULD BE ABLE TO tell another what to do”, and this is your belief and not a fact. People tell other people what to do all the time in the real world, for various reasons.

No I meant exactly what I said no one can tell me what to do because I have the word "NO" in my vocabulary. and I'm not afraid to use it.

What you’re saying here is “Everyone has his or her own beliefs, but here are mine, and they are fact”. You concede very very briefly that other people have different beliefs to yours, but then immediately forget and promote your own beliefs as the only true ones.

Anyone reading will make up their own minds up what to believe,and that's a fact, and I don't think they will be daft enough not to see right through you, as a doom and gloom merchant, tin pot dictator and holder of a 'That's Life' Jobsworth badge.

Fundamentally though, this:

Etype wrote:There is no case to answer. This is your common law court so dismiss the court.

"Court dismissed there is no case to answer"


is utter fiction. By fiction I mean “things that only happen in your imagination, and not in the real world”.

Fiction is a good word because that is exactly what magistrates have jurisdiction over, fictional things, legal fictions like our birth certificate, fictional persons like companies they have no jurisdiction however over living souls unless we give it to them.

"The court dismissed no case to answer" by the way, is the end of the statement of truth by Dean Clifford and is how he walked away from a driving without a licence charge, after being dragged into court in hand cuffs and leg shackles.

I used to think you might be a lawyer now I'm guessing psychopathic church going Magistrate?

In your next work of attempted character assassination how about you give us all just one example of justice you have witnessed in a Magistrates court, I'm sure we will all be very impressed if you can find one.

One where some poor bastard did not get fined, evicted or incarcerated would be very uplifting.

Oh by the way my local council have not bothered me for over ten weeks now over council tax they were going to send me to prison just after Christmas according to the threats in their letters. Which I must add would scare most poor old grannies to death and make them part with their money, rather then have heating over the cold winter. what a nice bunch of people our local councils are.

Best Regards

Freeman Simon

[SbutC]

There's only one person being thick here - I don't think I could have made the key message of my last post any clearer but you still managed to miss it. I specifically stated it was my main point, and I repeated it about 7 or 8 times. Even so, you haven't responded to it *at all*. I know it's not because you didn't understand it. I suspect it's because you choose not to acknowledge it.

One more time, repeat after me:

"Common Law is a belief - it is my opinion of what the law should be"

Instead you do your hardest to steer the conversation into more civil law stuff, despite me pointing out that this wasn't the original topic under discussion. Lost the battle but hoping to win the war on other territory?

As for "It doesn't matter what I think! I know some other people once believed it, so that makes it fact!"
Some other "facts" for you:

The Earth is the center of the universe
Leeches cure the common cold
The sun is pulled across the sky by a chariot

Would you be happy to use these facts, that I presume you don't believe, to back up your points in other discussions? I think not.

[frogmanbrabs]

One question Mr SbutC.

If what you say is law is law, why are they referred to as Acts of Parliament and not Laws of Parliament?

[1.618]

Acts of PARLIAMENT become STATUTES, Primary legislation which in turn are ENACTED and ENFORCED by STATUTORY LEGISLATION

Parliament do not have to enact a whole act, they can sneak in STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS and just enact part of the act so they don't have to keep passing whole acts through Parliament

eg: Council tax is a STATUTORY INSTRUMENT ENACTED on 1st April 1993 under its PRIMARY LEGISLATION, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE ACT 1992

we live in contract law by DECEPTION

DEFINITION OF AN ACT OF PARLIAMENT (STATUTE)

A LEGISLATIVE RULE of SOCIETY given the FORCE of the law by the CONSENT of the GOVERNED, a Rule as of a CORPORATION
by its own definition it is not a LAW, it is only given the FORCE of law by the CONSENT of the GOVERNED


Common law is quite simple, it is the unwritten universal golden rule 'Cause no harm or loss' , it's what your moral compass is for, it doesn't need hundreds of thousands of statutes and a multitude of legislation to be recognised, it is inherent in all of us, it's basic common sense, do as you would have done unto yourself.

The Law Society is a registered company, this means that statutes and legislation are in fact company policy for the law Society and it is unlawful for a society to impose it's own rules and policy on non members!! under their own rules ffs!!

Doesn't take a genius to work out we are being shafted for the sole purpose of revenue collection!

[Etype]

Here are some things that are true.

We put Government in power to work for us, they don't make any money, they sit on their fat arses and shuffle paper,
we make money by working, creating, building, growing, making things that exist in the real world and can be sold, they need us more then we need them.

If it was not for the fact that the police are badly educated about their role in society and carry guns or big sticks and now tazers, and think that it their job to protect the government from the people, the government would have no power over us at all. the words PUBLIC us, and PUBLIC SERVANT them, is still a dead give away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FZkyouymxs

We were lied to at school just as our parents were lied to when they were kids and our grand parents, and just as they are lying to our kids today about how the world really works. Who controls what can be taught to our kids, the Government. I found some really good stuff by Charlotte Iserbyt about the deliberate dumbing down of the world she is a whistle blower that worked for education high up under Ronald Reagan Government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTIYd5UFRY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLloeoPxTMQ

They put sodium fluoride in our water (forced medication) its supposed to dumb us down and make us more docile, its poison (fall out from the aluminum industry) it is not good for teeth that is a down right lie. The proof can be found all over the internet not by conspiracy theorists but by top scientists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH_y3Cw8MVg

The war in Afghanistan is being fought over the Caspian sea oil pipeline, poppy production there has boomed under the Americans and allied forces occupation. and no terrorists have ever been found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgo3-aa4J9M

Gaddafi was murdered because he wanted America and the rest of the world to use Gold Dinars to buy oil, our fiat paper currency was worthless to him. the yanks and us have no gold. Gordon Brown sold the last of ours when the market was rock bottom. Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THlaMUq6MKU

Barrack Obama cant prove he is American, his birth certificate is a forgery and if he is not American, he cant be president! this is all over CNN, Fox News etc in America, it is not covered by the BBC Why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

We are very good in this world at hiding information and then claiming it does not exist and since the worlds media is owned by 6 people that makes its so easy. Most of what we are finding out today about how the government lies to us, from America, Canada, Australia is 10 years old, I call that a pretty good media black out.

Have a nice day

Freeman Simon

[Etype]

1.618 Wrote

Common law is quite simple, it is the unwritten universal golden rule 'Cause no harm or loss' , it's what your moral compass is for, it doesn't need hundreds of thousands of statutes and a multitude of legislation to be recognised, it is inherent in all of us, it's basic common sense, do as you would have done unto yourself.

I concur but the fact that it is not written down gives people like SbutC the leeway to claim it does not exist, make a big thing about me being deluded and therefore my views are all rubbish when it's a just a smoke screen to hide the fact he never answered my question at all about Civil Law.

So once again for the kids Mr SbutC can you give us one example of a decision in a Magistrates court that was for the betterment of humanity, and not about stealing money by use of threats, force, intimidation or deception?

While we are on the subject what are your qualifications exactly, to tell us all we have no power to change any of the shit we see all around us?

What makes you so special that it is your job to educate us all. you could be a lavatory attendant for all we know.

I have only two possibilities for you, one is you have your head firmly in the sand ,up your bum or what ever, and are singing I'm not listening I'm not listening.

Two you are a Government disinformation agent with an agenda to subvert and hide the truth by belittling haranguing and filibustering, in an effort to keep our eyes closed to what is happening in the world all around us.

Or Three. Go on. Do tell us we are all interested to know, what job do you do?

If your answer is number two I suggest that the cat is already out of the bag, the tin is open and the worms have fled, you can't un-invent the atomic bomb and all you are doing is re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Good luck with that

Freeman Simon