God, Queen & Country

[observer]

All things begin and end in Albion’s Ancient Druid rocky shore, this ancient shore will never be destroyed, never has been, never will be, for this ancient island known as England is the key to the world history, in the past and she will be in the future, no one bar God himself has the power to destroy her and all who try will suffer the pain of their victims, bought on by their own destruction for even contemplating such an act. The heart is the seat of the soul and England is the heart of the world.

This quote is taken from the 'tpuc homepage' topic posted by John Harris, titled:
"To turn your back on our Queen, is to turn your back on your country"...and is posted here for good reason.

No offence, this is an attempt to uncover the simple truth. There is a lack of disclosure in the statement above. May I ask
if there is any conclusive evidence available regarding any particular relationship referred to between God & any particular
Monarch of England, that does not refer equally to any other flesh & blood man or woman? Similarly, does England have any
divine right that any other nation does not have?

To keep it really simple...does TPUC contend that the Queen or any other Monarch chosen by man has the divine right to rule?
If so, can TPUC show evidence of such a divine right?

Thanx

[dave]

...the generally accepted history of ancient times, such as is found on the shelves of our libraries and taught in our schools, is mostly fiction, made up of fables and myths cleverly composed into histories so nicely as to lull all suspicion in the mind of the reader or student as to the fraudulent character of it. Some wonderfully clever writers have been led astray by these deceptions of "history" - Conor MacDari

True history would honour your question, I can only offer a reason for its absense.

[observer]

True history would honour your question, I can only offer a reason for its absense.

As I understand True History
it relates to matters Spiritual and NOT to Material matters and this is why I posed the question. I am not sure what reason therefore it is that you offer.

[dave]

As I understand True History it relates to matters Spiritual and NOT to Material matters

Your question as I understood it related to the relationship between rather than the seperation of. More than one meaning could be drawn from the seperation of church and state for example.

As for 'reason', it is a means by which I try to understand and explain cause and effect. I often accept cause and effect as proof, reason if it comes, comes later.

There is much I have realised as a consequence of my own experience. But should I be confined to learn only from my own experience?

[dave]

A version of history would be that advanced civilisation existed before us and lost their way ending in devastation that reformed much of the entire planet, that our world is built from those ashes. It would appear to me that history is repeating, repeating because it has not been realised and confronted. As I see it John has confronted history.

I am not sure what reason therefore it is that you offer.

What sense I can make of it I share, very often what nonsense I make of it is what I share. Mankind has become unsane, lies have become believable, truth unnavailable, unspeakable, the subject of ridicule. Even if I am unable to find that which I seek, perhaps in knocking down some of the lies we stand on the view will be clearer for others. That is what I attempt to offer, reason is a benign dicatator and one I employ.

[dave]

As I had mentioned church & state and your quest is expressed as of matters material I will add my view on these things.

John has effectively exerted self sovereignty. Today and historically man made constructs have sat over mankind.

The church, religion and doctrine
From much of what I have seen in looking at the church and such places as the Vatican, man is defined as a sinner whose suffering is justified and to question the same is heresy. Salvation is with the church to whom service is due.

The state, politics and law
The state comes along with a dream and offers to people a piece of it on loan, the car, the house and some private time in which to enjoy it. To question the status quo is illegal. Security is with the state to whom service is due.

It is my view within both constructs it can be evidenced or simply realised that mankind has been lied to and a victim of the ignorance and divides thus created. Meantime knowledge has been hidden and used directly to target and destroy the progress of mankind.

[dave]

The current construct (or mind control depending on your point of view) is one of law, the legal basis of which is often cited as the constitution. There is a very simple test of this, John has done this by invoking the constitution. If his request remains unanswered, there is no basis to law, the government and state do not exist nor is any measure of theirs of substance.

Quite some time ago I quietly considered the possibility of an able and well motivated team taking over to avert massive catastrophe. The system of state is in my view a greater threat than the church as in one hand it carries the stick and the other it carries the dependency it has created. I was told today the banks have signalled that the economy will be pulled soon. As money is just debt it is like a religion, it exists and works not by virtue of itself but by the confidence people have in it.

I came to the view that to pull government over would create massive catastrophe. People have been groomed to favour image over substance and I took the view at the time that the conscience of the nation (state and public) was insufficient to sustain and protect that which really does serve their interests.

No matter the lateness of the hour, I see the quest to find and serve truth helps provide people with the roots that were stolen from them.

[observer]

As I see it John has confronted history.

Yes I do not disagree with much of what you are saying however it is
tending to move away from the questions I am posing. See the beginning of the topic here:

To keep it really simple...does TPUC contend that the Queen or any other Monarch chosen by man has the divine right to rule?
If so, can TPUC show evidence of such a divine right?

John has effectively exerted self sovereignty.

Not quite, he has stated specifically that he is open to being the
monarchs subject under circumstances acceptable to him at some point in the future, if or were such circumstance to arise.
This being the case it is clear he has not exercised fully his right to Sovereignty but rather, unwittingly it seems exercised a
power equal to that of the monarchs which he appears to be ready to again surrender at a future time if he is certain the
monarch is no longer being held hostage. A Sovereign cannot simultaneously be a subject either now or at some point in the
future, where the real meaning of Sovereign is understood.

To turn your back on our Queen, is to turn your back on your country.

The real question is - does it make a difference? This view is materialistic unless one contends that the queen in question has a divine right to rule. In which case
I ask, where is the evidence? What if one were to turn towards God, and in so doing turn ones back against both queen and
country? Would not an immovable Sovereignty then become apparent?

[observer]

the seperation of church and state for example.

It appears my questions are being seen from the wrong
perspective or perhaps even misunderstood. In my view, both church & state as you speak of them being seperated are
material. It is my understanding that a different Spiritual relationship exists as a Reality in which both are Spiritual but
unified in True Oneness. Only a man-made church can be seperated from that which is True. The True Church in my view is
invisible. It is unfortunate, but true that unconscious man [sleepeing sheeple if you like] finds it difficult to grasp the nature
of True Spirituality & therefore creates a warped reality regarding these matters. I believe it was Aldous Huxley for example
who stated - 'Religion is for those who have not had a Spiritual experience' & I understand to there was once a Sovereign
Teacher who stated - 'Awake thou that sleepest and 'I' shall give thee light'.

Regards

[dave]

It appears my questions are being seen from the wrong perspective

Apologies and thanks, your challenge was valid and polite. I did see your question as was and as I saw it a point of value. In essence therefore it was not my question to answer, instead whilst it remained unanswered sought to develop discussion that some of the context was brought out, something that I believe has happened through both our posts.

One passionate researcher identifies the oldest civilisation on earth as the Irish, the 'flat earth' a concept created to prevent people from travelling and discovering their roots but as mankind ascended Columbus was despatched to claim ownership and authorship of false history. So attacked and hidden is history that words like Albion are likely to be unknown to people. I have very often found myself using words without knowing their true meaning had been twisted, words lost, my own ignorance confronts me daily.

If emerging from the reforming of the world druids sought to protect learning and rebuild the world from these shores, the UK has some significance in world history just as it does today for very different reasons. Somehow it seems that early promise was tipped upside down, that America too was targeted with zeal for destruction and ownership, something the Huxley brothers were part of.

I was responding to your question on the basis there is more to this question than people or myself would be aware of. People see things and believe these are true, hear things and believe they are true and through those experiences believe they know of themselves. My life is full of such folly so I retrace my steps just as I seek to unravel history.