This is what Gordon Brown has done!

[catmar]

John and research team, take your time we need whatever you are working on to be right. Thanks for the site and for the information you have supplied and will supply in the future.

[catmar]

This is our battle for the United Kingdom, the link I have posted below is the battle for Canada by Robert-Arthur Menard of Thinkfree.ca CANADA'S CEO Mr Steven Harper has been put on notice to supply a security of interest to Robert, interested well click the link I think you will be impressed.

http://www.thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=2653&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

[david_grothier]

Hi John always appreciate things as straight as you can toss them to me.

I know we are a long way apart, in every sense of the meaning of wavelengths, but I don’t think I could have mistaken a ,“ Just got back from the House of Lords,” to you putting the phone down. However I will concede to your better judgement and will indeed put it down to a simple misunderstanding, but really it makes no difference---you were armed with the law of the land and still you were fobbed off, by an arm of the ruling power base who cares little for you, me or the sacred laws of the land.

I will leave you at your leisure to inform us what you plan B is. You do have a good plan B I trust as all real political strategists do!

When we first started our prolonged series of lengthy telephone chats and emails, you told me that you had found the solutions which were in wisdom, and the wisdom was to be found in part, in the origin of common law and ancient traditions and presidents that allowed for the evolution of the same,.

Now you seem to imply that you are, “trying another approach.” I know that you are into the mystiques of life and claim a Templar relationship, together with an interest in Druidism and so forth! But really John, these things are just another form of priesthood, and all priesthoods exist to fester off, and control the populous–-and than is not misinformation–but proven FACT––and the facts are not the man made lies you love to call upon to fall back on.

This is one thing I have personally investigated over many years covering so many archaeological visits to numerous ancient religious sites, from the Holy Land, to most of Italy, Malta, South West France, and especially to ancient Carthage in Tunisia.

Of course you are aware of my Druid connection through my relatives, and what I think of it and yea John I do know their history and the great universities they had pre Roman Britain, and of the ritual of many of their pagan ceremonies, and all that weird stuff.


You state rather arrogantly, ” if only to stop people like yourself ridiculing it, which serves no practical help.”

MMmmmmHHN I SEE John.

John be honest please, I don’t think we could have engaged in such continually lengthy conversation and copious emails correspondence, if the base of my intercourse with you, was to ridicule your efforts! You would have slammed the phone down long ago or told me to stop mailing you moths ago just like you did today despite expounding on the virtues of my right to communicate my views!
(Rather double standardish, A WHAT old chap!)

Look around the BBs John, all you will find from me until very recently, is praise for your efforts. Now you wish to attack me simply for wanting further clarification! Come, come old chap as without such further clarification and surety of direction, you begin to appear in an emerging opportunistic light.


Therefore its important that you tell us what your ancestors tried to achieve, as the Templars were not well regarded in South West France after being booted out of, first the Holy Land and then Malta, Not well regarded at all–God Bless their little cotton socks and shining shields!


When you say, “you would give me more ammunition to throw at you,” to me your reveal a very weak character, one afraid to stand any questioning of your beliefs. I want no ammunition from you John I did wish to help you but with plan of a course you wish to set, you have no public appeal and without the public behind you, you are simply a one man band–and they usually play to themselves––the nation cannot afford that at this time. And as you know with the EU Treaty signed, the days of our Common Law could be well and truly numbered, and therefore so to would all your chances be blown when Brussels takes charge.

I had, as you darn well know, already indented this weakness in you and tried to help you in over coming it. You know what my beliefs are, and the work I do, and the only thing that would stop me is a bullet in the head–come hellfire, rain or plague!

My political beliefs will never bring further chaos to our country only betterment.

I am a simple person, for the mining valleys of Wales. I see simple solutions and a practical methods of governing this nation for the benefit of the people.

There is no need to make things complex simply in order to make our weak, ineffectually politicians look good, you cant turn a pigs ear into a silk purse.

Besides how could I bring chaos, I have no aspirations for a political calling I don’t even live in the UK, nor would I wish to, and I don’t even considered myself the British I would have loved to have been any longer.

However the bloodshed you forecast is set to happen, the dice was cast long before I came on the scene and its roots go back long before the far-sightedness of Enoch Powell. When the rot of corruption took its deathly hold of Westminster, the eventual backlash from the public was sure to follow no matter how many generations it took to spawn. Now the unrest in the UK can be felt, strongly felt, in all parts of the nation, I now just observe and wait,

You John Harris failed to see this, and failed to hear the knock of opportunity you have missed, as I have told you–-your calling!

In this respect you are all wrong great leaders cease the moment and never look back. You should have identified your ready made calling and rallying point!

However, as sad as it is, I will in a very short time, albeit from afar, bear witness to what is about to befall Britain.

John please stop being righteously myopic in these matters, you know from what we have we have discussed many times that you are being false when you state,–––– ”What you identified to me is a symptom of a disease and not the disease itself and corruption is simply corruption and you my friend have no clue how deep it goes if you think the problem just resides with the Queen.”

As I have told you many times John, the queen is all powerful and an international force, but only a part of that insidious thing that seeks total world domination. I think that was one of the first things I told you when you were claiming the government was traitorous to the queen, I stated then that it was the queen who was the biggest traitor to the nation–-its still on the home page if you care to look.


Lawful rebellion is only the beginning and if you read all of what I posted you would find I have already acknowledges Heven’s post as being highly illuminating, and in fact she appears to agree with what I have been trying to hammer out here–-I.E. there must be unity of cause! So don’t worry John, its all well and truly sunk in, almost as deep as I know the power and force of the opposition you face, and think you will simply blow away with the wisdom found in our long forgotten common law and buried secrets.. this is not the Da Vinci Code we toy with..

You wont beat your Establishment enemies John, none of you will, they abuse the law because they know there is nothing anyone can do to stop them abusing the law and that you have no chance unless you have the full support of the nation behind you.

Of course you can all be freemen, and you can all ride around on your butterflies to your heart’s content, but you will only–BE ALLOWED TO DO IT FOR SO LONG WHILE THE REST OF THE POPULATION ARE TIED TO THEIR DAILY GRIND STONES.”–Now when you manage to get the general population off their grind stones and interested in what you say––you may stand a chance.

I am a Chartered Freeman with rights granted by John of Gaunt, the Black Prince of Wales, and I know what collective power can do–we did battle with the government authority and won as a collective force where individually we would have surely failed.

I quote you John., “You always talk about Wisdom and you miss the most important fact; when you become wise you suddenly realise how little you really know. David its about letting go of men's lies and their knowledge. Your constant explanation of Wisdom is the exact opposite of what Wisdom truly is, that is quite evident because you try to explain it.”


It was you who proclaimed me to be wise, I have never done so. At no time, in no place, as that’s not me! I ask what wisdom is, sure I do, and therefore I can never claim to be the wise man you state you thought I was. I have always maintained that to have wisdom without action is a heinous crime,


You continue with ––“Druids or Templars David, or both! Come on, you don't even know who they really were? All you have ever said to me about these people is just a repeat of mens lies, found in mens knowledge, deliberately constructed to conceal the truth of these people again i feel another of your vain attempts to discredit me. Please may I ask why you constantly try to do this?”

John Harris you know this is not so, in fact you said yourself that you quite astounded by my knowledge of these things.

I have never once tried to discredit you John, and you bloody well know that! All I have done is just simply asked you to present your polices, your way forward, and how you intend to bring about change that you, you yourself are telling us we must have..

No matter what you may claim, you do indeed seek public support, and very much so, as you have a web site which claims we are in a BATTLE FOR BRITAIN and the time to act is now!––

That is a rallying cry if ever there was one, and yet tou seem impervious to the one you have already missed.

Furthermore you ask for donations to support what you are doing. THEREFORE I HAVE RIGHT TO ASK YOU THESE THINGS–-AND THAT IS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT YOU! I need to ensue you are not just another hair brained, but likeable buffoon, just like your sycophant Dave, and full of even more idiotic ideas such as arresting the queen and so forth, which is why I ask for concrete––– not custard.

You say that–-“Not all things that are hidden David are sinister, that is why truths were hidden in history so they could be used in the future, you just have to know where to look for them and be able to distinguish them from mens lies hidden in their false knowledge.”

I don’t deal in mysticism John, I deal in what I know and can touch as being as real as the problems the people face. Anything that is not up front and out on the table is indeed sinister as there is no reason for it.

We are all frail people, all long suffering oppressed human beings and there are none of us with any God given special privileges which makes anyone person bigger or better, or superior to any other. Man has an ingrained propensity to dominate and exploit his fellow man. Man’s inhumanity to man is a phrase that was kicking about long before I arrived on this planet.

When growing up in the Rhondda, I bore witness to the degradation of humans and environment alike. As an adult I travelled this small globe we occupy and met many a person of all stations. I have known men of God, and men who kill in God’s name, but it all boils down to the same thing, its all man made exploitation of man!

There are no hidden truths, although there are probably still many lost philosophies, but since Socrates is regarded as the founder of that school there cant be that many variations that we don’t know about over the past 2500 years.

Anthropologically speaking we have numerous examples of where we have come from all reinforced by the discovery of so many “lost tribes” in South America and places like Borneo etc. Human evolution has filled in the rest and brought with it many crazy ideas of man’s approach to continued harmonious living.

Having studied human evolvement since the last Ice Age in Europe and compared the existence of Homo Sapiens with Neanderthal man, we are nothing special, just a preordained species of this planet subjected to inordinate amounts of our own excrement.

Therefore, there is no secret formula to life, but in order to make it tick along nicely there must be a simple adherence to natural justice, and that is to be found in the hearts of all good men guided by their conscience and a desire for a love all things good in the world.

We know what is good and what is evil, however the knowledge of who put the ability to differentiate in our hearts comes only to all men at death.

Therefore to me, what man has made, man can unmake and its as simple and as practical as that!

Practical men seek practical solutions to the problems of life, as practical solutions will serve for all time and benefit all. The Pax Romana endured for two centuries based on the dictates of the Great Augustus that all Roman citizens were equal in rights and duties under Roman law which was a good practical no nonsense system of law.

There would be no secretism in my society, as the earth is free and ours–-so I think John, that lets you and your Druids and Templars out.

Besides they were so oppressive by nature–I guess that’s why the practical men saw them as evil and outlaw them–who knows!

When you asked, and I quote you “Are you sure you are not an advocate of globlelisation David? For your policies and this national socialism you talk about, seems very similar in fact one and the same”––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-I began to realise where you were coming from John, and knew you have a long way to go still.

As you rightly say John–––The truth is simple, mankind makes it complicated.

However, good luck with your endeavours, and of course best wishes, but I feel unless you start getting really real, round and round and down you will go.