Sucess Stories

[battn1980]

Hello, i'm new to this forum and really excited by the prospect if no longer having to buy into the rediculous system that has been created. I understand that much of this is still at the "trial and error stage" but am struggling to find any links/stories on people that have got this stuff to work in practice. I think it would really encouraging for the rest of us to have this information/examples, however big or small! Can anyone help me with this? Maybe we can even start posting them in this section for people to see when they first sign up? Has John Harris (or should I call him John: Harris) managed to get this stuff working yet and to what extent?

[Just Curious]

I too would like to hear of any success stories. I'm new here, and most of what I've seen on here has resulted in the person backing down and paying their fines/notices/etc.

[wyrd magus]

I also agree that seeing a couple of success stories would really get people moving. I've seen bits of evidence of some of it working - i think one was when robert: menard recorded a telephone interview with some attorney type and the other was the filmed incident with the two police interviews on the more recent john: harris video.

[Malcolm Ramsay]

I have to say I would be very surprised if there were any significant successes.

I'm not sure where the idea (of a fictional person being created at birth) originated, but from the responses that have been referred to on this site, it seems to be news to everyone in the legal system. It's true there must have been some legal gymnastics for them to rule that a corporation is a 'person', so I'm prepared to believe there's a grain of truth in it; but unless someone can point either to something in a statute or to some ruling in a court case, then I think the courts are simply going to dismiss it as nonsense.

I won't list all the associated ideas that stretch my credibility, but I have read Guy Euden's Accepted For Value articles three times and I must say I can't make any sense of them at all. For example he seems to base some of it on the idea that Britain declared itself bankrupt in 1869 (although he doesn't quote any text from the Bankruptcy Act to support it) and that therefore all debts of individual citizens are forgiven. But the country's debts are not the same as the individual citizens' debts, and anyway a bankruptcy clears existing debts - it certainly doesn't prevent you taking on new ones.

There are some serious flaws at a deep level of our economic systems; the most serious being the fact that the law recognises no birthright to the use of land, and the fact that money, in its present form, naturally flows toward people who have more than they need. Both these things perpetuate inequality and it will probably take some kind of rebellion to get them changed, so a site like this has the potential to make a big difference. But some people are clearly causing themselves a lot of trouble using the ideas presented here, and as far as I can see that's all that can be expected.

[Just Curious]

Malcolm, I fear you may be right.

I am rather concerned that members of this group are being misled, or misinformed.

I am not convinced that the 'gurus' of this movement are really sharing their knowledge in a usuable way.

From the posts I've read, many people are using the wrong instrument to fight a demand for payment, or using the wrong form of words, or only partially following the process.

They then ask for assistance in one of the discussion groups and get a load more ideas - (any of them tried and tested?), until finally they find themselves in even more trouble and end up having to back down and pay the original debt plus additional costs.

example -

http://www.tpuc.org/node/44

Don't get me wrong, I would love this to be true, but until one of these 'gurus' can post evidence that they have successfully challenged TPTB and won, and EXPLAIN exactly how they did it, including all the necessary steps that they had to take prior to challenging the claim, I think it is extremely risky to try any of the instruments they describe without full consideration of the ramifications.

Remember, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

I think this may all be a lot of bluster and showmanship, which will disappear as soon as some of them find themselves banged up in prison.

Hope I'm wrong - I've still got a lot to learn.

[kazz67]

The thing is though, no-one is saying these are tried and tested methods that come without risk. From my reading and from watching the anti-terrorist vids, I see that several 'guru's' in the movement have had to spend time inside along the way, and have learned and shared what they know (Sorry, I can't offer a specific link - just follow the with rabbit to the antiterroist youtube channel and take it from there.)
All of this stuff is relatively new, and we're all learning as we go. Some of us may come unstuck along the way, but that's a risk I for one am willing to take to challenge this system of corruption which would bind me.

I've not yet read this eBook, but it looks like it may be that success story you're looking for - HOW I CLOBBERED EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN ... a Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ and Remembering Who You Are by: Mary Elizabeth: Croft

Nameste
Peace.

[arten]

In the OP you ask are there any success stories that depends what you mean by the word success. I have seen success stories on this board. People being stopped by police and arguing for there common law rights is a success in my eyes. People fighting the banks and every day you don't have to pay back money they allege you owe is a Big Success in my eyes.
Mate don't look for success in others, lead the way do not folow the Master, Become the Master and here I mean of your own Fate to paraphrase Invictus

[oghene]

I have to say I would be very surprised if there were any significant successes.

I'm not sure where the idea (of a fictional person being created at birth) originated, but from the responses that have been referred to on this site, it seems to be news to everyone in the legal system. It's true there must have been some legal gymnastics for them to rule that a corporation is a 'person', so I'm prepared to believe there's a grain of truth in it; but unless someone can point either to something in a statute or to some ruling in a court case, then I think the courts are simply going to dismiss it as nonsense.

I won't list all the associated ideas that stretch my credibility, but I have read Guy Euden's Accepted For Value articles three times and I must say I can't make any sense of them at all. For example he seems to base some of it on the idea that Britain declared itself bankrupt in 1869 (although he doesn't quote any text from the Bankruptcy Act to support it) and that therefore all debts of individual citizens are forgiven. But the country's debts are not the same as the individual citizens' debts, and anyway a bankruptcy clears existing debts - it certainly doesn't prevent you taking on new ones.

There are some serious flaws at a deep level of our economic systems; the most serious being the fact that the law recognises no birthright to the use of land, and the fact that money, in its present form, naturally flows toward people who have more than they need. Both these things perpetuate inequality and it will probably take some kind of rebellion to get them changed, so a site like this has the potential to make a big difference. But some people are clearly causing themselves a lot of trouble using the ideas presented here, and as far as I can see that's all that can be expected.

Here is a link to Blackstones commentaries on the Laws of England
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/

Go to Book 1: Rights of Persons
Chap 1: Of the Absolute Right of Individuals
Use CTRL+F to search for Artificial.

" Persons also are divided by the law into either natural persons, or artifical. Natural persons are such as God of nature formed us: artificial are such as created and devised by human laws for the purposed of society and government; which are called corporations or bodies politic."

[Just Curious]

In the OP you ask are there any success stories that depends what you mean by the word success. I have seen success stories on this board. People being stopped by police and arguing for there common law rights is a success in my eyes. People fighting the banks and every day you don't have to pay back money they allege you owe is a Big Success in my eyes.
Mate don't look for success in others, lead the way do not folow the Master, Become the Master and here I mean of your own Fate to paraphrase Invictus

Good luck with that. Post any successes you have here.

[Malcolm Ramsay]

Here is a link to Blackstones commentaries on the Laws of England
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/blackstone/

Thanks for the link oghene - I've added it to my bookmarks.

" Persons also are divided by the law into either natural persons, or artifical. Natural persons are such as God of nature formed us: artificial are such as created and devised by human laws for the purposed of society and government; which are called corporations or bodies politic."

This extends the meaning of the word 'person' so that it includes corporations, but it still includes natural persons - so there's nothing here to suggest that an 'artificial person' is created for us at birth. Just the opposite in fact; it makes it clear that when a law uses the word 'person', it refers to both natural persons and artificial persons.