how many can afford to be a freeman

[whizzard]

Hi All,

From another angle, we could argue that we have been "paying into the system", through taxes and N.I. contributions, some for many years, so maybe by declaring oneself a freeman/woman and using such facilities, we are simply being provided a service that we have already paid for.
Incidently, when questioned, my local council informed me that council tax is a tax, not a payment for service, so there goes the binman theory !

Whizzard.

[twistbeats]

think i heard menard say something about claiming back all the NI contributions you have made in the past as well.

[oghene]

Most employment contracts are 'contracts of service' not 'contract for service'. Servitude
We are serfs and the employers are our feudal lords, they swear fealty to the state 'Parliament'. Income tax, is the tax or protection money for providing you with protection in the guise of a contract.

Notice how income tax and NI contributions are only paid by those in employment.

Hence they can tax you. Clever buggers

Becoming a serf
A freeman became a serf usually through force or necessity. Sometimes freeholders or allodial owners were intimidated into dependency by the greater physical and legal force of a local baron. Often a few years of crop failure, a war or brigandage might leave a person unable to make his own way. In such a case a bargain was struck with the lord. In exchange for protection, service was required, in payment and/or with labour. These bargains were formalized in a ceremony known as "bondage" in which a serf placed his head in the seigneur's hands, parallel to the ceremony of "homage" where a vassal placed his hands between those of his lord. These oaths bound the seigneur to their new serf and outlined the terms of their agreement. [14] Often these bargains were severe. A 7th century Anglo Saxon "Oath of Fealty" states "By the Lord before whom this sanctuary is holy, I will to N. be true and faithful, and love all which he loves and shun all which he shuns, according to the laws of God and the order of the world. Nor will I ever with will or action, through word or deed, do anything which is unpleasing to him, on condition that he will hold to me as I shall deserve it, and that he will perform everything as it was in our agreement when I submitted myself to him and chose his will." To become a serf was a commitment that invaded all aspects of the serf’s life.

Moreover, serfdom was inherited. By taking on the duties of serfdom, serfs bound not only themselves but all of their future heirs.

The serf's duties
The usual serf (not including slaves or cottars) paid his fees and taxes in the form of seasonally appropriate labour. Usually a portion of the week was devoted to plowing his lord's fields (demesne), harvesting crops, digging ditches, repairing fences, and often working in the manor house. The lord’s demesne included more than just fields: it included all grazing rights, forest produce (nuts, fruits, timber, and forest animals) and fish from the stream; the lord had exclusive rights to these things. The rest of the serf’s time was devoted to tending his or her own fields, crops and animals in order to provide for his or her family. Most manorial work was segregated by gender during the regular times of the year; however, during the harvest, the whole family was expected to work the fields.

Variations
Specifics of serfdom varied greatly through time and region. In some places, serfdom was merged with or exchanged for various forms of taxation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom#Freemen

[pilar]

An interesting suggestion from Pilar. It would work from the perspective of the employee, of course. But the employer is bound by laws to pay tax on his salaries. In France, where there is a great 'black economy' many people work for cash in hand. Perhaps less common now in the UK. I think myself workers and employers need to be creative in these areas.

But you must not forget that it is the employee who has to pay tax, not the employer on the employees behalf

[M0JFK]

Nothing in this world is free we pay taxes for it...Get out of this mind set that we get things for free, we never do and we never will.

If you do all that but keep consent like i have, education still is free. It dosen't matter if you don't pay taxes, nearly all public services are free. And there's much to be gained with a freegan way of life

RDM what you say is true just don't fall for the health insurance save some money instead, for that rainy day.

[Napalmtheelf]

The whole concept of freeman philosophy is inspired and has obviously been in many peoples minds for a long time.
But this thread is very interesting.
I would love to do this, but I am a nurse working for the NHS.

Becoming a freeman would effectively remove my ability to work.

I feel buggered totally.

Anyone have any insight into how I could continue to do a job I love, and also embrace the freeman inside me.....besides giving myself a hug!

[Martin Mitchell]

A freeman is one who does as they please thus, anyone who is a member of the Mental State of Beneficiaries of the ICHOR Trust are free to do as they please whilst their slaves are the ones forced by their trance state to work and pay for everything they being deluded by arrogance and their own dogma into a conformist instead of open mentality.

see under forum general. EXPOSED Trance State supported by TERRORISTS subverting government from within.


Martin Mitchell
trustee@ichortrust.co.uk.

[scottmurray]

its a tax?the council used to be called the municipal corperation thats a company a company cant charge tax..................... can it?????

[Just Curious]

All companies are unpaid tax collectors.

They collect VAT for HMRC, they collect Income Tax and Employee's NI through PAYE, and they pay Employer's NI and Corporation Tax.

[WIARWAN]

To me its not about if you can afford it or not, its a way of life. First you have to stop the consumerist lifestyle, then make youself as self sufficient as you possibly can. I know I can't own land in my eyes no one can, the earth is always gonna be here who the fudge are we to claim ownership of part of our mother earth. The more we continue to use money the more we stop taking responsibility for ourselves, we pay other people to do tasks that we wouldn't forcing others into slavery to barely make ends meet. The more we carry on our selfish behaviour and continue this route the quicker we our destroying our souls and the soul of our earth. Wake up not just to see the faults in others but look at yourselve's. Anyone who even questions the need for money over the need to make themselve's free really needs to look deep deep inside.

much love