HSBC Bank Loan Advice Please

[Obama Bin Laden]

Ha hahahah. Shrout's out to make money out of gullable idiots.

http://www.winstonshroutsolutionsincomm ... oducts.htm

[Obama Bin Laden]

Do some research.

Have you heard of Roger Elvick?

He was the creator of the 'Redemption Movement'. Currently in prison for forgery, extortion and for engaging in a pattern of corrupt activity.

Start here..

http://sedm.org/Forms/PolicyDocs/UCC.pdf

It also features Winston Shrout.

"There is no evidence or facts from independent third parties to back up almost all of what he says
He cites almost no statute, caselaw, or regulations to prove any of his points
He talks about the history of how the fraud upon the American people was perpetrated, but cannot confirm it from any independent objective source
Everything he talks about is couched in commerce. There is no moral or religious element that ties his teachings back to any aspect of morality or the bible.

Some have approached Winston Shrout to ask him where he gets the material he teaches people. You know what his answer was? Prisoners who are STILL in Jail!"

Do you want to base your whole approach to the world on what convicted cons know about law and commerce?

[Obama Bin Laden]

Here's Winston Shrout's own DISCLAIMER


"A Note from Winston:

Let me state a warning about the use of the technology that is contained in any of the educational information that we have; for those students who do have advanced experience this is not a problem. But for some who are just getting their feet wet in some of these areas, let me emphasize, this technology is dangerous do not use it until you are competent. Please do not jump to the incorrect conclusion that just because something may work for the guy next to you, that it is going to work for you. Do not conclude that because you know a little that you can accomplish a lot. It usually does not happen that way.

And again allow me this caveat and warning, that nothing we have portrayed or provided is anything but educational. I don't give legal advice, obviously, because I am not an attorney. Please do not construe anything I have presented as legal advice. If you need legal advice by all means go search for a competent attorney.

So, please accept our humble offering in the spirit in which it has been given. To some it might only provide some entertainment. To others there may be some viable solutions in their commercial affairs. In either case our best wishes are to you in your quest to find peace in you life.

Thanks for your interest and participation.

Winston"

Bold added by me for emphasis.

http://www.winstonshroutsolutionsincomm ... laimer.htm

[UnitedPirate]

Way off topic.

Don't feed his Ego, anymore.

[kazz67]

I'm worried about losing over £18,000 per annum and the fact that his forum seems to think that by taking out a loan they are creating money, when it's foreign investors like myself that create your money.

But don't feel sorry for me, I'll simply remove all of my money to some other country. Good luck, serfs of England.

Just one teeny, tiny question:
By 'loosing' do you actually mean sustaining a loss, or do you actually mean 'not gaining'?

[themanwhowouldbeking]

I have already told you that I have come here to suggest that you find a suitable micronation to become part of to avoid having to be part of a society you find abhorrent.

I myself am a diplomat for the Empire of Atlantium.

Well, you're obviously not, because if you would've read the Empire of Atlantium website properly before you picked this new little persona, you would've seen that they state that Atlantium IS NOT a micronation, and micronations, for the most part, are state-like entities that exist only on the internet. Unlike Atlantium they do not have a verifiable corporeal existence or any sustainable claim to legitimacy.

Clap Clap. Next account.

[simlmx]

micronations

[Obama Bin Laden]

Thanks for your concern, Kaz.

The answer to your question is both.

I have lost income - (by reduced interest)

and I have lost capital assests as I have had to withdraw some of my savings to live on.

Ask anyone with a significant proportion of their income coming from their savings - pensioners for example.

The banks don't suffer when you don't pay back your loans - the depositors do!!!

As for the disinformation the other person is spreading about micronations, I refer you to this site.

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/micronations/enter.html

A "micronation" is any number of things:

...a model country that exists solely as work of fiction.
...a small group of people who are seeking sovereignty from another governmental power.
...a collection of brave souls who are trying to establish a new country.
...a tiny sovereign jurisdiction that may have escaped the notice of other major powers.



In future, post a link to back up your allegations.

Here is the official Empire of Atlantium website

http://www.atlantium.org/

Atlantium has a heritage that spans three decades. What began as a local political statement by three Sydney teenagers on 3rd Decimus, 10500 (27th November, 1981) has since evolved into the world's foremost non-territorial global sovereignty movement and state entity, with a diverse, rapidly growing population living in some ninety countries.


Notwithstanding its primarily non-territorial nature, the Empire of Atlantium has aspired - virtually from the day of its Foundation - to exercise its Sovereign Authority over a modest rural geographical territory to serve as its permanent global administrative capital, ceremonial focal point and spiritual homeland.

That long-held aspiration was finally realised on 12 Primus 10527 (12 January 2008) with the formal gazettal of the Imperial Decree by which the Province of Aurora was established.

[kazz67]

Thanks for your concern, Kaz.

The answer to your question is both.

I have lost income - (by reduced interest)

and I have lost capital assests as I have had to withdraw some of my savings to live on.

So, you have not gained wealth based on existing wealth, and you have spent some of your money on living expenses.
My heart is not yet bleeding, it has to be said! lol

Ask anyone with a significant proportion of their income coming from their savings - pensioners for example.

Well, I asked my Nan and my Grandma, and they both say it ain't so. But then neither of them are rich, so what would they know.

The banks don't suffer when you don't pay back your loans - the depositors do!!!

Then the depositors need to take issue with the policies of the banks they deposit with. I mean really! How very dare they!
But seriously, because the bansksters have it all stitched up and use every trick in the book against their customers is something which demands attention. Blaming people for not paying 'back' money that never existed in the first place is ridiculous.

Peace n love,
Karen.

P.S. Please spare me the lecture on fractional reserve banking. Ta.

[themanwhowouldbeking]

As for the disinformation the other person is spreading about micronations, I refer you to this site.

In future, post a link to back up your allegations.

The 'disinformation' that i am 'spreading' is taken directly from the FAQ on the offical Atlantium website. Here is the 'link to back up my allegations'. http://www.atlantium.org/faq.html So like I said, Grothier, research more before you pick a new alter ego.