Every Inch of British Land is owned by a 'Lord'

[wat tyler]

Every single square Inch of British Land is TODAY, according to our 'Constitution', owned by a 'Lord'.

Don't believe it ? Check English law. Better still, go to Wikipedia -

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:mX ... clnk&gl=uk

If that's not the feudal system, what is ???

[Woody]

Is there any more evidence to back this up rather than just Wikipedia?

[Colin Grainger]

I dont have much faith in Wiki.

My "specialised" subject is second hand smoke and I have researched it (and tobacco from seed to smoke) for the last four years. I happen to know that the editors of the SHS section on Wiki are are rabid anti-smokers and they have left out a ton of information that would have provided balance. So I dont trust anything that they have in there. I always cross-reference whatever they say.

Anyhoo, I don't believe that all land belongs to the Lords. I spent a couple of hours today looking at unclaimed land here in Scotland and there is plenty of it about. Some of it, no doubt, that once DID belong to a Lord who might have died intestate. I was surprised at the amount of land that is simply abandoned, or was never owned in the first place.

There are millions of acres there for the taking, and it needn't cost a penny.

I thought it was a natural fit for the Freeman Movement. Now that I am a Freeman I will need some space to build a house and live life the way I want to. The Home Office did not deny any of my Claims of Right so I don't need to ask for planning permission. My mission is to harness natural energy (wind and solar) and drill my own water well. The goal being to become self-sufficient. I need the extra land for growing food for my family.

Oh, and if you're a townie, there are thousands of buildings that have been abandoned too. Claim one of 'em!

Just google "unclaimed land (or buildings) in England" or Wales or wherever you want to be. Several sites pop up. Some want a fee but I am sure that with a bit of research you can cope yourselves. How hard can it be?

Slainte,

Colin.

[wat tyler]

I dont have much faith in Wiki.

My "specialised" subject is second hand smoke and I have researched it (and tobacco from seed to smoke) for the last four years. I happen to know that the editors of the SHS section on Wiki are are rabid anti-smokers and they have left out a ton of information that would have provided balance. So I dont trust anything that they have in there. I always cross-reference whatever they say.

Anyhoo, I don't believe that all land belongs to the Lords. I spent a couple of hours today looking at unclaimed land here in Scotland and there is plenty of it about. Some of it, no doubt, that once DID belong to a Lord who might have died intestate. I was surprised at the amount of land that is simply abandoned, or was never owned in the first place.

There are millions of acres there for the taking, and it needn't cost a penny.

I thought it was a natural fit for the Freeman Movement. Now that I am a Freeman I will need some space to build a house and live life the way I want to. The Home Office did not deny any of my Claims of Right so I don't need to ask for planning permission. My mission is to harness natural energy (wind and solar) and drill my own water well. The goal being to become self-sufficient. I need the extra land for growing food for my family.

Oh, and if you're a townie, there are thousands of buildings that have been abandoned too. Claim one of 'em!

Just google "unclaimed land (or buildings) in England" or Wales or wherever you want to be. Several sites pop up. Some want a fee but I am sure that with a bit of research you can cope yourselves. How hard can it be?

Slainte,

Colin.

Colin,

You may well be right. There surely ARE lots of unclaimed land (and buildings) in England. True. But the ownership of land is itself a scam. I mean simply that since the arrival of monarchy they (monarchs) have given titles to the land to others down the centuries and that, today, each and every part of England has its 'lord'' whether that 'lord claims his 'rights' or not.

So I wish you every success. These elitists think very differently from you and I and I just want to make you aware of it. The feudal system parcelled out the entire land of England through the monarchy. There were no gaps. And their system exists to this day. But yes, I will research it more closely than Wikipedia and will post on it again soon.

It doesn't change anything, of course. But just to show what the monarchy/system actually claims. I am very interested in this subject myself and would really like to keep in touch on it. Best wishes with your projects.

[wat tyler]

Allodium

Allodium, in law, a landed possession freed from all feudal tenure or service. Several explanations have been given of the etymology of the word, but they are all only more or less ingenious conjectures. In early ages the allodium was the most desirable property. In process of time the anarchy consequent on the want of a supreme power made the mutual protection and support of lord and vassal more expedient; and in England all land passed into fee land, the king being suzerain of the whole country. The theory still remains in slight services, or in small fee farm rents, and in the escheat to the sovereign for want of heirs. In France, before the revolution of 1789, the actual services still remained - not nominal, but real, unequivocal, and in some cases odious burdens; serfdom, indeed, was only abolished by an express decree of the assembly. Nulle terre sans seigneur was a maxim of law, and the tyranny and monstrous oppressions of the local seigneur proved that it was no dead letter. In Germany the allodium yet remains to be perfected. The system of man service is not yet exploded, such as the right to several days' work in harvest or at hunting parties; although this is much modified, particularly in Prussia, of late years.

The conversion of the feudal soil into allodial land is effected either by means of an annual fee rent, or of a fine payable at once, in lieu of all customary services. Even in 1595 the last traces of bondage and serfdom in England were not obliterated. A patent to Sir Henry Lea was issued by the crown, giving him power as commissioner to enfranchise a limited number of crown villeins, and to seize all the rest of the estates acquired by parties in villenage to his own use. This monstrous commission, which was, like many other similar enormities, a means of enriching a needy or profligate courtier at the expense of the people, could not have operated except in the case of crown serfs; the doctrine, Nullum tempus occurrit regi, coming into operation against the unfortunate landholders whose title was barred by the impurity of their blood. In the case of subjects, villenage had become obsolete.

(source - "The American Cyclopaedia", by George Ripley And Charles A. Dana)

It seems to me that Freemen may indeed look for properties. I wish you every success.

[emmanualgoldstein]

Colin, I am all for forming a scottish commune just like your talking about with solar/wind and general self proficiency, so if you are up for a community project you can count me in.

[macswin]

All land in England is owned by the crown since the norman conquest of 1066. william the conqueror considered all of england to be his since he conquered it. he granted land to people, but he was the overlord, and so it remains today. thus we have the tenure system, which has developed into estates and the current system.

[slimline66]

Does The Crown Estate take ownership of ‘unclaimed land’?

Freehold land can sometimes effectively become ownerless. When this happens title to the land may, in certain circumstances, revert to the Crown as the ultimate owner of all the land in England, Wales or Northern Ireland. This process is called ‘escheat’. It can happen in a variety of situations.

The Crown Estate deals with escheat where the land falls within England, Wales or Northern Ireland and outside Cornwall and the County Palatine of Lancaster – where escheat is dealt with by the Duchy of Cornwall and the Duchy of Lancaster respectively. Contact details for the Duchies are set out set above.

http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/print/tce_faqs.htm

... straight from the horses mush.

[porrige]

a friend of mine was ino metal detecting a few years back, upon finding something significant he was told that anything found in the top 6 inches of land anywhere was the property of the queen!!

[observer]

Every Inch of British Land is owned by a 'Lord'

Not so acording to the Ichor Trust ... they claim it belongs to them
http://www.ichortrust.co.uk/
...interestingly this does not appear to have been fully verified anywhere in this forum
Warm regards