The White Stuff...

by **philrogers34** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:21 pm

And as for you phil....I will have you know I was reading this thread while drinking a cup of coffee WITH MILK and I very nearly spat a mouthful over my laptop i was gagging so much.....
ffs - dead udderpus!

Sorry hun, i know it's rough, it made me feel really queasy as well but people need to know just what they are putting into their bodies. I have been veggy for about 4-5 years, haven't eaten eggs in god only knows how long (was never a great fan) stopped cheese about 2 months ago. I have been aware of all the crap in milk and meaning to give it up but just never got there, after seeing durianriders vid about sucking on a cows titties and finding the list of chemicals in each pint i am no longer drinking milk ever again. i am now full vegan and staying that way! :-)

personally i think if you are gonna take food from animals, you don't deserve to be kept ignorant of the everything involved, the treatment of animals, the toxins, the processes etc etc, and whilst i feel a bit rough about what i've been finding out, i know after my body has got it out it's system in a few months i am gonna feel so much better, physically and psychologically

You have to make sacrifices, you have to sacrifice the convenience and variety of choice of modern food and all the poisons and treatments involved for the knowledge and feeling of being healthy

A sense of self discipline is far more rewarding than quick fix short term distractions :-)

by **madlookin** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:35 am

philrogers34 wrote:
And as for you phil....I will have you know I was reading this thread while drinking a cup of coffee WITH MILK and I very nearly spat a mouthful over my laptop i was gagging so much.....
ffs - dead udderpus!

Sorry hun, i know it's rough, it made me feel really queasy as well but people need to know just what they are putting into their bodies. I have been veggy for about 4-5 years, haven't eaten eggs in god only knows how long (was never a great fan) stopped cheese about 2 months ago. I have been aware of all the crap in milk and meaning to give it up but just never got there, after seeing durianriders vid about sucking on a cows titties and finding the list of chemicals in each pint i am no longer drinking milk ever again. i am now full vegan and staying that way!

personally i think if you are gonna take food from animals, you don't deserve to be kept ignorant of the everything involved, the treatment of animals, the toxins, the processes etc etc, and whilst i feel a bit rough about what i've been finding out, i know after my body has got it out it's system in a few months i am gonna feel so much better, physically and psychologically

You have to make sacrifices, you have to sacrifice the convenience and variety of choice of modern food and all the poisons and treatments involved for the knowledge and feeling of being healthy

A sense of self discipline is far more rewarding than quick fix short term distractions

thats a real good post m8.....its funny innit...you can't go wrong if you say it how you know it....and -E-....you say it how you feel it too....its disgusting this thread-but honest

....as for me....i aint ready Phil....i can't give up that bondage from dear mother cow (although i don't drink homogenised milk)....she is badly treated...they pump her full of shite....just to use and abuse and get what they can from her....4 yrs of life for the average milking cow.....but if left alone they can live till about 25-30......i'm abit torn.....cos of the mistreatment of modern cows stopping drinking milk is probably the ethicle(right) thing to do......but on the other hand...indigenous people have lived and respected cows for ever...
India...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_in_religion (Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, and Ancient Rome)
Africa... http://www.kenya-advisor.com/masai-cattle.html
Americas...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_buffalo

cows give us....milk,butter,yoghurt,cheese,ghee-cooking oil,whey....and yeah we get milk from our birth mothers....so (for me) i don't consider it unnatural to drink cows milk....but, i can see why someone would become vegan....and it deserves respect.....if i was fortunate enuf to have some land to live peacefully on,i'd be happy to keep a milking cow...there very efficient,they only eat grass.....which brings me to another point...it weird innit...how folks that eat meat only really eat vegetarian animals....cow,sheep,chicken,pig?(maybe why not permitted in islam and jewdism?)......and...i don't judge folks who eat meat...its up to you...sometimes i'm suprised i'm a veggie...and i've most (all) fiends and rellys who eat meat....and i still love em and let em in my house

by **philrogers34** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:13 pm

yeah i can appreciate where you're coming from mad, i wasn't ready for a while to stop milk. I have to disagree with it being 'natural' to drink cows milk or milk from any other species.
How many adult mammals do you know of that
A) still suck there mums teets for milk ?
B) Drink the milk from another species?

with the exception of infant mammals needing nurturing and being fostered by another species, ie, kitten suckling from an adult female dog, or a baby sheep sucking on a pigs teets. (which is more often than not due to human interference) It doesn't happen in the wild with adult mammals so why are humans drinking on cows milk?

As for this thread being a bit gross, well yeah it is but are we freeman or compliant drones who need the nanny state to sugar coat everything for us so we can carry on falsely believing that everything is ok and our govts love us and would never ever do anything that might upset us or gross us out?. i totally accept it is the individuals choice what they put in their body but i also believe if people knew exactly what it is they put through their system then a lot of them would think twice

by **philrogers34** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:30 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBFTpTMUbc

by **philrogers34** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:09 pm

Here's a question,

If drinking cows milk is natural for humans, how many times have you been for a drive in the country and seen this?

i personally have never ever seen a human drinking straight from a cows udders, because it's not natural to drink cows milk. Cows don't 'give' us milk, we steal it from them. The milk a cow produces is for it's calf(s) and a cow only produces milk when it is pregnant, so how does a cow produce milk all year round?
The cows are given hormones to keep them fertile and ready to produce offspring, the cows are then artificially inseminated (raped) to make them pregnant and produce milk, once the cow gives birth the calf is taken from its mother, causing unnecessary psychological suffering to both cow and calf which can change the chemicals being released by the cows brain, pretty much the same as human depression. and then the cycle starts all over again with the extra calf added to the equation to be reared for exactly the same purpose as it's mother. the animals are kept in appalling cramped conditions, often they are sick and suffering from open wounds so they need antibiotics to stop infections, all of it goes through your system when you drink milk.

by **philrogers34** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:46 pm

Well, i'm at day 7 of totally dairy free and i feel good. the first 24-48 hours i had headaches and it felt just like i was coming of my meds again (thank god i'm not on them anymore) which only serves to confirm that there is some seriously bad stuff in milk. You should not get withdrawal symptoms from milk so it can only be all the vetinary pharmacuticals in it that i felt withdrawals from.

Also i have tried various milk substitutes this week as well, i found the best if you want to still drink tea is probably oatmilk but it has a slight powdered milk feeling to it, chocolate oat milk is lovely though, a glass in the morning and one in the evening gives you all the calcium and stuff you would have got from cows milk.

I would urge everyone to take this issue extremely seriously and give some thought to coming off milk permanently.

peace :-)