Why do we need a referendum?

[emmanualgoldstein]

After the very moment the maastricht treaty was signed back in 1993 the newspapers filled to the brim with subliminal messages about the country having been taken over, alot of undertones in the text was about this too, and the way I seen it, it was like something so frightening was happening that people just refused to look at what was being said in softly spoken words out of the sheer unthinkableness of what was going on. Anyone I spoke to at the time thought I was mad.

Now look what has changed between then and now:
- Fast track justice system
- CCTV cameras nationwide.
- Automatic Number Plate Recognition(ANPR) Systems able to track any cars movement around the country (automatically)
- Armed Police
- Tazers
- The whole charles de menezes alteration of the mindset that people now beleive that its okay for the police to kill innocent people
- Political correctness meaning that rather than using one word to describe something, it now requres ten words.
- Promotion of euthanasia in the mainstream media - who excuse themselves by making out they are just trying to encourage debate. No one ever considered killing their grandmother before they started the debate.
- Pedophelia - I bet the activity is more prevalent now than it ever was, but my main problem with pedophelia is its use as a sensationalist agenda of witch hunting. Look at michael jackson - just the mere accusation is enough to end a persons career.
- Care in the Community - People are today fitted with subdermal devices which dose them drugs in order to keep their mental state intact. What is sanity if the people promoting such things are unable to have reasoned discussions on the things that they are doing, and thus must dismiss any discussions by the use of the label "conspiracy theory".

Now look at whats coming down the line:
- Enforced vaccines
- Verichip
- Unprovoked wars (or pre-emptive wars if you prefer)
- "Conspiracy theory" being used as a key phrase to dismiss all proof that discredit state enforced policy

Imagine the stuff we are not aware of, and there is thus no need to commit to room 101 (see 1984)....yet.

In 1992 I thought what the EU was to become was a great thing - all the people of europe coming together as one. Now I look and I see all the people of europe being enslaved under the NWO, and all who oppose are accused of xenophobia. Thats right people in greece, france, germany, italy, netherlands, etc, who all agree with each other and opposing the NWO are being described in a way which would suggest they dislike each other. Far from this, its love for one another that makes us oppose this, it is the blatant disregard for love that causes such labels like "xenophobia" to be misused. So all those people in europe countries that people like me apparently hate - those are my brothers.

Just take a look at the above list of things which have changed since maastricht and you tell me if a united europe under the EU is a good thing or a bad thing. Ive never had any problem with a united europe, if the right people were at the top it would be a great thing, unfortunately, this is not the case.

[emmanualgoldstein]

As for sending petitions, you might as well be a sheep in the jaws of a hungry wolf asking the wolf not to eat you. If petitions made the government accountable they would be illegal.

[MadBomberJones]

I thought this was appropriate!

England, My England !!!

Goodbye to my England, So long my old friend
Your days are numbered, being brought to an end
To be Scottish, Irish or Welsh well that's fine
But don't say you're English, that's way out of line.

The French and the Germans may call themselves such
So may Norwegians, the Swedes and the Dutch
You can say you are Russian or maybe a Dane
But don't say you're English ever again.

At Broadcasting House the word is taboo
In Brussels it's scrapped, in Parliament too
Even schools are affected. Staff do as they're told
They must not teach children about England of old.

Writers like Shakespeare, Milton and Shaw
The pupils don't learn about them anymore
How about Agincourt, Hastings , Arnhem or Mons ?
When England lost hosts of her very brave sons.

We are not Europeans, how can we be?
Europe is miles away, over the sea
We're the English from England, let's all be proud
Stand up and be counted - Shout it out loud!


Let's tell our Government and Brussels too
We're proud of our heritage and the Red, White and Blue
Fly the flag of Saint George or the Union Jack
Let the world know - WE WANT OUR ENGLAND BACK !!!!

[sylvia]

after the Lisbon treaty was fraudulently put into force in ireland, its common knowledge that the vote was illegal, but taking it through the courts is a different matter as they are as corrupt as the government

does anybody know exactly how to,

1) get Ireland out?
2) keep England out?

[fish26]

I would say that having a referendum will make no differance at all, sadly Ireland has shown us that if you vote NO then they will just keep asking until they get the answere they want. It took just 18 months of propaganda in Ireland to shift puplic opinion and I think the same would happen here. Time would be better spent trying to let people know exactly what the EU is and how it will affect there everyday lives. Most people I speak to don't like the idea of the EU but then again there not firmly against it. Having a referendum should open the debate but again reland showed us that only one side of the argument will ever be given any real time in the mainstream media.

[hurn]

How many people would like a referendum?

i suppose we all would but the point is we dont have a choice in the matter and i cant see us having one soon

[mrresonate]

to me the whole referendum bullshit is: hard to explane but here we go

lets say for instance

MP's = The prison board of directors have the keys to freedom

the referendum = the people are asking a prison guard if he can go and ask the the board of directors of the prison to get a new guvnor so he can improve the prison, if u get me

nar thats a shit way to explane - its like the UN, it was set up to make everyone especially the poor think that they have something representing them, standing up for them, they have a bit of power, just like obhama put into power for many reason, but 1 of them is to con the african-american people into thinking they have 1 of there own representing them, when really it doesn't do shit, coz they will just replace who ever is going out with another 1 of their slaves

[Lollipopman]

I wonder ironically if there is a good reason that we dont have a referendum.(UK) At least the people can say we never wanted the Lisbon treaty and all its ramifications. All those who have had a referendum and lost are now screwed completely. Technically its only our Government who have signed it and not the people. I wonder if there is something different about the UK legal status to other countries who have had a referendum. I think id rather not have one than have one and lose

[mrresonate]

its all rubbish any how, we get 1 or not they still do things without the peoples control or consent

[Frank]

Why would anyone want a referendum on something that is illegal? They haven't kept proper accounts for 14 years. The EU was the nazi's long term plan if they lost the war.

The shit will hit the fan properly around the 5th of May 2010, when we lose parliament as its lease expires. Thats when everyone that believes in the political process will get woken up. Thats when it will be too late for any succesful peaceful action, what with all the politicals panicking as reality hits home hard. Brussels can then enforce martial law with their EU army.

We don't need books to be written at this time, as we don't have the time. Things are moving too fast. We need a mass campaign that tells people the facts of what is happening in less than 50 words. Never mind the waxing lyrical of national pride and pride in being free in a free country as thats just history. Cut the bullshit and explain the facts of whats happening now and next. Keep it simple. Let it show how it affects everyones life.

Frightening people is probably the only way of getting into the populations minds, as this has been the method used on everyone for generations. Its the only way people change their opinion/belief.

But the elites know all about fear and how succesful it can be. Which is why I believe people like William Cooper got assasinated, he frightened people and woke them up out of their institutionalised trance.

http://www.bbc5.tv/eyeplayer/video/chri ... corruption