Monarchy has had it's day bye bye

[Thomas]

Just a mascot who happens to be the richest woman (and her family with her banking family) in the world at the expense of everybody else but the 1%. I.E the New World Order.

Wrong. The Queen is far from the richest woman in the world. She's not even in the top 100 wealthiest list. Bill Gates for instance is well over 10x more wealthy, and has obtained that wealth in the space of a single generation through ruthless and quasi-legal monopolistic business practices.

As far as I can tell the real wealthiest elite are the Rothschild Banking family who as far as I know own over half the worlds wealth and are behind all the wars, funding both sides of any conflict.

The Rothschilds are not under any form of restraining Oath system to serve and protect the people, and I sincerely doubt they will stop doing what they are doing until they have the whole of humanity, including us and our elderly Queen, under their thumb and enslaved to them.

They will in all likelyhood use the principles of jealousy,hatred and bigotry to secure the bars of the cage into which they will place humanity, by keeping powerless figureheads in luxurious cages to be the focal point of the sheeples hate and jealousy coming from their poverty cages. The media will propagate the bullshit perpetually and anyone who shows any signs of figuring out how it works will be eliminated, thus keeping mankind enslaved to their Rothschild owners forever.

But do carry on bitching about the Queen if it makes you feel better, the Rothschilds thank you for your loyalty and support.

Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Battenberg / Rothschilds

[Thomas]

she is just a mascot.the politicians know this,but the unsuspecting public do not.i do think we need a ruler but one that does see all as equal.i feel this day is just around the corner.i have lost hope,and i care not for obumma's change either.

Just a mascot who happens to be the richest woman (and her family with her banking family) in the world at the expense of everybody else but the 1%. I.E the New World Order.

absolutely thomas i agree fully to what you state,but there is pure evil lurking in the darkness.you know this im sure.
she and her family are not at the top of this structure you know this to be true.i know where you come from and where you stand in all this.good will prevail there is positive and negative in all that matters,and the negative ones have had there time,it's our time now.love wins thomas.

Dr John Coleman the Committee of 300

[HVYMTL]

As John's Affidavit suggests, the Queen is surrounded by "divers evil persons".

I find the wording a little melodramatic, but I also find that it's unlikely the people who do surround the Queen are telling the Queen the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, most of them are after all, politicians.

The affidavit, when taken in context along with the actions of Barons under Magna Carta, and the fact that we are now over 10 years on and nothing has really changed, make it clear that either The Queen cannot make the changes that were requested, or will not make them, or has never heard of them.

I find the former and the later are the most likely.

That leaves the possibility that The Queen can change the way things are going but won't and She will not make the changes needed and there is a good reason why not, or as you quite rightly point out the failure of action may constitute a crime, if we accept that the Monarchy is needed and the Monarch is bound to the Oath He or She takes, regardless of what bloody rock He/She happens to be sat on as long as everyone present and the evidence shows the true facts. I.E, that The Queen was indeed coronated and took that Oath.

If we don't accept the validity of Constitutional Monarchy at all, then we need to forget about the big stage show with costumes and old Scrolls and things, and think about how to improve our new country that we all live in right now called Europe. If anything the Monarchy is probably irretrievably broken, and the muppets running Europe have proven the concept is too important for their inept handing of it.

So anyway as you see, the Monarchy doesn't need to be hung, if they don't get it together they will simply fall from the position they are in anyway, because eventually inaction will simply add weight to the fact that either they cant or wont act at all, and thus are either powerless to do so or just don't want to. It will happen quite naturally as our country gets more and more Eurofied over the coming decades, until in a couple of generations kids will just naturally think of themselves as Europeans first, Britons second.

[Anglo-Saxon]

HVYMTL Simon from the Odell family who's ancestors can be traced back to the year dot your views never change keep banging the drum the monarchy will need your support.

Anglo-Saxon looks forward standing shoulder to shoulder come the day even with simon starting off with the 3rd June 2012.

The Monarchy is a Fairytale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXsZbkt0yqo

In 1812 Our government stopped the English revolution under 'Democracy' by introducing the 6 gagging acts they are not going to stop this one.

Did you know the speaker in the House of Commons was introduced by the Monarchy to be his eyes and ears who's role was to report back to the monarchy.
As the saying goes an old dog never changes it's ways maybe that should be monarchy, maybe it's time to put the old dog to a better place into retirement.

[HVYMTL]

Actually in reality I'm completely open to suggestions on how we can organise our society in a better way, however I also know that historically Democracies become Republics, and then Republics always collapse into empires as we are seeing repeated over in America right now. Empires become dynasties, and just once in a blue moon, something like Magna Carta comes along and the people manage to force the dynasty into converting into a Constitutional Monarchy. What happens then is that the action of Democracy erodes the progress made and pretty soon we are back where we started, a democracy becoming a republic, destined to repeat the cycle.

I seek to break that cycle. I believe that if we could force the broken remains of our Constitutional Monarchy to fulfil the coronation Oath we could break out of the EU and finally after 400 or so years, re-establish the rule of law, under which as I'm sure your aware, prosperity will massively increase for everyone. We are at a unique point in history because right now a massive boost in prosperity will have an effect which it could never of had in the past; specifically because of the rise of science and technology.

I'm a big fan of the work of Stephan Moleneux on freedomainradio.com I think we have the opportunity to lead the world in pioneering something completely new, but we can't do it in our current state with our hamstrung monarch being dictated to by the EU.

So we have a choice, sack the monarchy off, lose the system of Oaths and become a province of Europe under the jackboot of corporatism, or put the past behind us, use the best parts of what our ancestors achieved and move forward.

As for my family history, it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion. For a start, it confers me absolutely no societal advantages over anyone (I'm currently unemployed, skint and living on JSA) and also I didn't actually even know about all that until I was nearly 30 years old and thus already had my own well entrenched views and ideas prior to that discovery.

It does lead me to wonder however, what family are you from? and what is the history of that family? Perhaps I can find some way to be biased and prejudiced against you because of it...

[HVYMTL]

Daniel Hannan on Common Law vs EU law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=najrobY-ggg

As he said, we were lucky as a people to have established Common law, and you want to turn your back on it? Are you barking mad or do you have an agenda against our traditions and constitution?

And one other thing, since you mention my family history I will say this, the most prominent member of my family to have been involved in events similar to those of today, was also a Simon, in 1173 he was also involved in a rebellion, and history records that he sided with Prince Henry the younger AGAINST Henry's father the king of the time. If anything that shows Simon had integrity, he was willing to risk everything for what he believed in by going against the ruling monarch of the day. (risking the loss of the family castle and lands, and even of being subjected to medieval torture)

I have no problem what so ever with people knowing all about who I am, because I have nothing to be ashamed of. In fact I am proud of the actions Simon took all those centuries ago, I think he was a man of honour who was not afraid to do what he thought was right. I can only hope that in this modern rebellion that my actions and words can even come close to living up to the legacy and duty that he has left me.

So I ask one more time, what family are you from, and what ancestors are you proud to speak of?

If you ignore the question, I will simply have to wonder what it is your hiding and why. Are you ashamed of your family? Did your family ever amount to anything? Is there even a single one of your kin who has stood up for what he believes in or are you from a line of cowards who do nothing but mouth off words of treason and point crooked fingers at those who stand up for us all?

Well?

[llewop]

monarchy has had its day.. its true that the queen needs to give royal ascent to laws (statutes) passed by parliament.
but this is just symbolic.

mathematically, it would be more unique to find someone who is NOT related to royalty / have royal ancestors.

if you go back just 500 years, trace the family tree, you will have over 1,000,000 ancestors.... these ancestors being direct ancestors, ie - your parents, their parents, their parents, their parents... etc. that figure doesnt include cousins.

http://famhist.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/everybodys-related-to-royalty/

[HVYMTL]

Allowing 25 years per generation, give or take, in 500 years you would have 20 generations. Your two parents each have two parents, going back 19 generations doubling each time from a starting point of 2, you get the number 524,288. There is one problem with the model; working backwards like that eventually you reach a point where the number of ancestors needed to go back another generation is more than the total number of people alive at that point in history, so clearly the model is flawed and too simplistic to be the actual reality. Clearly a lot of your ancestors must of had common ancestors and have been inbreeding, otherwise if you go about another 20 generations you get 274,877,906,944 (274.9 Billion) Which is clearly nonsense as its over 39 times the currently modern total population of 7 Billion.

Ergo therefore, it doesn't matter if you believe in evolution or the garden of Eden, everyone on this planet is related to each other, something I've been saying for the whole time. We are one human family, bigotry and it's equally evil opposite reflection reverse-bigotry make up a big part of the log in humanities eye.


People have lived on this island since as far back as 800,000 years. Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_England

Continuous habitation seems to have been a much more recent achievement, starting from about 12,000 years ago.

Between various invaders and infighting tribes, invasions, clan wars, rebellions, uprisings and the rest, peacetime on this island has only existed continuously since just after the times of Cromwell, when it appears that our constant ability to argue, disagree and fight with each other at the drop of a hat was converted into a financial affair with people attacking each other with claims of liability in courts instead of weapons like arrows and swords on bloody battlefields.

Cromwell could of become King, many wanted him to do so in order that his actions could be constitutionally limited under the Magna Carta, but instead he decided to try his hand at a dab of republican based military dictatorship. It wasn't long before the people had had quite enough of that, and demanded a return to Monarchy. There was just one problem, the mess he made never got cleaned up properly because very few people even understood the problem he had created which exists to this very day.

Believe it or not, for your whole life, you have in fact been living in a Republic based dictatorship which derives the majority of it's power from your own ignorance of the truth and inability to use the truth to set yourself free from it. The Monarchy is a Punch and Judy show, tolerated by the real owners of this island, and I mean the REAL owners now, not the political puppets or the Monarchy, because the people's delusions of Monarchy serve very well to direct and deflect blame from where it should be placed, thus keeping the real owners hidden from view.

Who are these real owners?

US.

We are the real owners, all of us. It's our collective ignorance of not only our status, but of how the system built by our ancestors actually works, that keeps us from sorting things out. We are not so much downtrodden from above, but instead we tread each other down with loud angry words derived from ignorance and stupidity.

If you don't put Tax on your car... who is it that complains first? The queen? The government? or your neighbour who is pissed off your taking up his car parking spot and you haven't even paid your tax... Some of them will even go as far as taking things into their own hands and smashing your car up because in their ignorant little mind, your a "rule breaker" and it's their job to chase you down and hand you out some punishment. (Just like what a certain poster here took it upon himself to do when I was arguing with the TPTB on this site one time)

Ignorance is the lock, knowledge is the key.

Learn about presumptions in law. An un-rebutted presumption stands in law. If your ignorant of the presumptions being made, then how can you rebutt them? If furthermore, the people who are making the presumption, don't actually know they are making a presumption, how can they possibly realise they are acting on one?

What Cromwell did was so simple, and so subtle and powerful it's not been possible to undo.

He made all his officers presume that everyone they interacted with was also an officer, a subordinate one who can be disciplined for not following the rules laid out for officers by head office (Parliament).

All the police officers handing out FPN's etc, are all making this presumption, and nearly all of them are completely ignorant of the fact.

Watch and understand the videos by Dean Clifford.

Then tell me, after having understood exactly what the tradition of Monarchy and the position of the Crown, REALLY does for you, that you still want it abolishing.

Because if you can make a convincing argument why we should throw away the only key's to the jail cell society previous generations have accidentally through their own ignorance and stupidity allowed to get built, I'd love to hear it...

[iluminawti]

I began watching Dean clifford last night. I kinda got lost in it. ``presumptions`` seems to be the key. I still cant work it out, not being a legal beagle type. A name in a court is just a presumption? So dosnt matter what the name is? another thing I noticed was the pyamid thing of his argument. The judge govt and benificiery? Same with religion, god man and the holy ghost. Thanks for your post, it seems Dean is on the right track. I shall have to watch some more of his vidios now.

[HVYMTL]

The main presumption that is made about you, is that your an officer in their corporation, specifically a subordinate officer to them.

You know what happens in the military when a subordinate officer annoys a superior, even for looking at him the wrong way the subordinate is handed out a punishment/disciplined.

The whole corporate structure is pyramidal, with the Monarch at the top. All officers are sworn to serve the monarch, and are paid well to do so, and the Monarch is sworn to serve the people and is paid well to do so. So in reality in accordance with the law, your real true position is one seat above the Monarch. They just presume you don't know that, and then they carry on as if your right at the bottom of their structure, unless you make it clear that you know better.

A presumption un-rebutted stands in law. If you don't know they are making the presumption about your status, you cannot possibly rebut it, and thus it stands.

If you think of a game of chess, your real position is not a pawn, or a knight or a castle, it's not even King or Queen, you are the Chess Player, your above all these pieces. The oppositions opening chess move is always the same, they presume you to be a pawn. If you behave like a pawn their strategy works and you lose. Ignorance of the law is no defence, and more often than not, the officers who are doing the ground work don't actually know they are making these presumptions. They really are pawns in the game, along with the magistrates and bailiffs.

What Dean is working out how to do is to play the game like a pro. To use their turn their own energy back at them like you do in Judo. They come at him and make their presumptions and he let's them do it. There is no point arguing with the policymen on the ground, they are far to thick skinned after hearing all the protests under the sun dealing with the various types of people that are around. He doesn't deny any facts either, facts are facts and denying them is dishonourable. His plan appears to be to let them do their worst on their presumptions, then turn around and enforce his sovereignty as the player of the game on them, by using the Crown as it's meant to be used through the courts to defend his rights the correct, peaceful and lawful way.

The problem with the system is that not enough people understand and use it the way it's designed to be used. Successive parliaments have robbed the people of their knowledge of the system and dumbed them down into stupid children that complain how terrible it all is because they are too ignorant and too cowardly to stand up for themselves and their rights. This is what politicians really want, they build their supremacy out of ignorance and cowardice. Parliament wants to be the winning player, it want's to be absolute sovereign, and the only way to do that is to make sure that every single last sovereign being is too stupid and afraid of them to ever argue back and use the courts effectively against them.

Parliament loves disorder, because then it can justify it's existence to force order, and force everyone into serving it, and it will carry on doing so, and using any weapons physical or mental it can get hold of to secure it's position for just as long as the people allow it to happen by not standing their ground and using the lawful peaceful means of redress that have been built into the system by our ancestors to protect us and keep us free.

You don't have to make any claims, you don't have to make any suggestion that your above the law or that the law doesn't apply to you, all you have to do is rebut their silent presumption that your one of their employees. That's all it takes to go from being a Pawn to being a Player.

People who want to get rid of the system and remove the Monarch, seem to me like angry infantile ignorant children who don't realise that they are trying to get rid of a system which is immensely tilted in their favour, because they don't get it, and they want replace it with a system which will be immensely tilted against them, in the belief it will be fairer and more egalitarian. The really sad thing is that a lot of people actually think they will have achieved something by doing that. It would be like giving up a loaded Uzy 9mm in favour of being armed with a bow and arrow, just because they don't know how to pull a simple little trigger, and they are too cynical and jaundiced to ever learn about the technology they already possess as the Player.

Parliament wants that attitude to prevail. It want's to be set free from the shackles of Constitutional Monarchy, and it's doing a great job so far towards that end. It's indoctrination programs are working, and people are starting to believe that removing the Sovereign will make them free. If you don't get it yet, that statement is like saying that black is white. That freedom is slavery to parliament or any equivalent body such as a true democracy or a republican congress.

"Why would I trade one tyrant 3000 miles away, for 3000 tyrants one mile away?" ~ Mel Gibson in The Patriot

Democracy and republicanism do not, I repeat do NOT bring about freedom. What they bring about is a pack of political scumbags auctioning your freedoms off to the highest bidder, whilst making shameful contracts with each other. Sovereignty, Knowledge and Wisdom and above all the Courage and Faith to stand up and use it in a decently constructed Constitutional Monarchy like ours is the one and only path to personal freedom. You were very lucky to have been born in a country like this, don't let anger, jealousy, ignorance and reverse-bigotry make you act against yourself in throwing all that away.

"Why would I trade one constitutionally restrained Monarch who is sworn to serve me and uphold the law and my rights for 60,000,000 democrats who will vote for whatever they collectively want, with absolutely no regard for my rights as an individual?" ~ Me here and now.