Monarchy has had it's day bye bye

[iluminawti]

Thank you for taking the time to explain it all for me. I can see what you mean now. `Unrebutted presumptions`. Which you dont know about due to ignorance, or maybe a bit of help from the legalese gang. They like to keep it all tied up in secrecy/code. So that we the people, dont understand the rules. Any way I am beginning to comprehend what you mean and I shall enjoy the next game of chess. I play with them.
Thank you.

[llewop]

Allowing 25 years per generation, give or take, in 500 years you would have 20 generations. Your two parents each have two parents, going back 19 generations doubling each time from a starting point of 2, you get the number 524,288. There is one problem with the model; working backwards like that eventually you reach a point where the number of ancestors needed to go back another generation is more than the total number of people alive at that point in history, so clearly the model is flawed and too simplistic to be the actual reality. Clearly a lot of your ancestors must of had common ancestors and have been inbreeding, otherwise if you go about another 20 generations you get 274,877,906,944 (274.9 Billion) Which is clearly nonsense as its over 39 times the currently modern total population of 7 Billion.

lol the statistics / model is not flawed. its simple. you need a man and a woman to create a child. and the simplicity of it shows the model in the link is correct.

like it or not, most people in UK are related to royalty - this taking into account your ancestors only and does not take into account how someone could be related to royalty through cousins etc...

[HVYMTL]

No problem at all, if I can help make you a little more free, then I become a little more free as well. This is what it's all about. When the penny drops and the pieces of the puzzle start to click in place you realise how the thing works and then the fun begins. There is lots of bullshit out there, and lots of factual but completely irrelevant information as well.

Like Dean Clifford, I say they can call me whatever they like...

Hvy Mtl
Mr HVY MTL
MR Hvy MTL

Whatever, it does not matter and I do not care because I am not an agent of their system, employed by their corporation or performing any function of government either voluntarily or for pay, and they cannot prove otherwise.

As far as I can tell, and I admit that I am no historian, this system we live under now appears to go back to about the time of Cromwell and may well of been setup by him to pervert the lawful system that existed prior to that point into the basis of his military dictatorship. They hired ordinary people and gave them a little bit of information and uniforms and told them they are policemen and magistrates and they have to enforce the law on everyone because no one is above the law not even the King. Thus the first corporatist (aka facist) governmental system got invented.

The mass of people bought it hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of angling times. When the people realised what an arsehole Cromwell was and got rid of him, it was too late and what he did has never been undone since, because no politician would ever knowingly undermine his own power base. After the beheading of Charles I, the Royals kind of lost their balls in the knowledge that it would probably be a death sentence to them to go messing around with Parliaments grip on the ignorant mass of people who are all too ready to enforce the bullshit on each other at any given opportunity.

That's why it's utterly retarded to suggest that Monarchy has had it's day here and now, since it already lost all position of power and standing centuries ago. The one good thing about the situation is that since the system is still tied into the structure which existed before it, the people still have the ability to use the system the way Dean Clifford is showing us. Without that system in place, this country would really be screwed, and going to court here would be no different than going to face an American court (shudders). If you can't tell the difference, then I suggest watching some courtroom footage of our courts and their courts, there is a huge difference.

As for the £3 a year the Royals cost to keep, even if we removed them we would probably end up spending just as much if not more supporting some political party biased conman in a suit to be our president and do all the foreign visits and diplomatic functions etc. The palaces and castles, which are already nationally owned would still require exactly the same upkeep unless we are going to let them fall into ruins along with the rest of our traditions and culture.

[HVYMTL]

lol the statistics / model is not flawed. its simple. you need a man and a woman to create a child. and the simplicity of it shows the model in the link is correct.

Obviously each person now alive has 2 parents, 4 grand parents, 8 great grand parents, 16 great great grand parents and so on. However if you go back following the same mathematical progression you very quickly find that the number of people required to go back another generation, is more than the sum total of people who were alive at that time. This is quite simple to understand, so do please try and follow. It is a simple fact that there is an awfully large amount of inbreeding which happens throughout society. You will find that for instance of your 32 great great great grand parents, a bunch of them were actually the same person, this happens more and more as you go back further and further, because ultimately regardless of whether you believe in Adam and Eve, or in science and evolution from the African mitochondrial eve, you get back to the point where the first ever humans turned up and there were only a handful of them at most at that point.

like it or not, most people in UK are related to royalty - this taking into account your ancestors only and does not take into account how someone could be related to royalty through cousins etc...

I DON'T GIVE A SHIT.

And neither should you.

Take it from me, being descended from some high faluting elite ancestor a thousand years ago means exactly the square root of F A.

Now do me a favour and SHUT UP about my ancestors unless you have something interesting to tell me about them.

[HVYMTL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rMsBsiGLns

[iluminawti]

Yes thanks HVYMTL
I get it now, finally the penny has dropped.
Theres no way those smeg heads, will ever pull that scam on me again

[HVYMTL]

Well that's one mind unlocked only 59,999,999 to go... yay for progress...

[1.618]

And on the subject of the monarchy, i'm in agreement with SI, in that as much as i don't like the way it's operating at the moment...i appreciate just how lucky we are to have it in place and how it stops us becoming just a province of the European superstate and to just do away with the monarchy would be a huge huge mistake that we surely would never be able to rectify at a later date.

[HVYMTL]

And on the subject of the monarchy, i'm in agreement with SI, in that as much as i don't like the way it's operating at the moment...i appreciate just how lucky we are to have it in place and how it stops us becoming just a province of the European superstate and to just do away with the monarchy would be a huge huge mistake that we surely would never be able to rectify at a later date.

It does more than just keep us out of being subjugated entirely by the EU, just consider for a moment what would of happened if Gordon Brown the unelected prime minister did not have the Crown above him to prevent him from staying another term, or 5... or announcing himself dictator for life. The Royals present a politically neutral restraining mechanism on parliament which every would be dictator or idiotic fool would love to see removed either because they have personal mental hygiene problems or because they know exactly why the system has been setup the way it has and knows the only way to ultimate power is to remove the Royals from the equation.

[llewop]

It does more than just keep us out of being subjugated entirely by the EU,we are already subjugated by EU. british citizens have to abide by rules set out by the EU, even some absurd rules about the size and shape of our vegetables. why british citizens should be ruled by people from a different country is beyond reasoning. just consider for a moment what would of happened if Gordon Brown the unelected prime minister did not have the Crown above him to prevent him from staying another term, or 5... or announcing himself dictator for life. nope, impossible since the people would recognise this and higher numbers of people would enter into a form of lawful rebellion against the dictatorship. as it is, most people are under the illusion that there is no dictatorship... yet politicians have to take an oath to serve the queen. Serve the queen and not the people!The Royals present a politically neutral restraining mechanism on parliament which every would be dictator or idiotic fool would love to see removed it is not neutral at all. politicians oath is to serve the queen and not the people. people who do not take the oath to serve the queen are not allowed in parliament. therefore there is no politically neutral restraining mechanism as you seem to believe, since this is not needed. we vote for the politicians who then in turn serve the queen. not the people.either because they have personal mental hygiene problems or because they know exactly why the system has been setup the way it has and knows the only way to ultimate power is to remove the Royals from the equation.ultimate power is to govern yourself and not have people in parliament, the monarchy or EU govern you.

the royals have not refused any parliament laws for over 300 years. they are snobbish, elitist and out of touch with modern day society. its necessary for them to have a massive public relations team in order to keep the illusion up eg recently the queen attended a wedding of one of her subjects. nothing other than PR since it was plastered all over the media.

the monarchy is bad for democracy and also bad for our own money! the tax payer is forced to pay for the upkeep of the royal family (only slaves pay taxes!) and nothing of any value is shown to the very people who are forced to pay for the royal family lifestyle.

the royals have power... each british citizen is the subject of the queen. The royals give parliament and the government power, the queen gives most of her power to the PM. this is done as a disguise... a smokescreen as it were... because if the queen made laws, the citizens nowadays would revolt. as it is, it is disguised in the fact that parliament make laws... but such laws are made not for the benefit of the british citizen, but are made for the benefit of the monarchy and to keep the entire family in a lifestyle to which they are accustomed.

the process of the queen giving her 'power' to the PM is that it creates a false system whereby joe public believes that they live in a democracy and that certain absurd 'laws' stem from people power and not royalty power. council tax, tax on your wages, all the stupid laws that nobody wants.... if such laws were to come from the royals, then most people wouldn't want the royal family. as it is, it is disguised in a way so that even though the queen does not make the laws, she benefits from such laws in the way the royal family is paid for through taxes.

taxpayers can not fully see how much the royals cost since the royals are not under any obligation to provide this info.
there is a spin on the info that their total cost divided between every person in britain is quite cheap... yet this figure is questionable. government does not base its figures on the same way as the monarchy, showing that the monarchy kind of makes it up as it goes along, under secrecy and pretence.

the monarchy is unelected. undemocratic. and totally unfair. a large number of people in UK are forced to either live in poverty or on borderline poverty... and we then see the queen in all her jewels as well as her family being treated to a luxurious lifestyle with no accountability or benefit toward that of the UK.

there has never been a vote as to whether we want the monarchy or not.

the monarchy is essentially an unelected head of state. parliament are clearly puppets, with their suport for the queen.

Part of treason act: any person whatsoever, within the United Kingdom or without devise or intend to deprive our most gracious Lady the Queen from the style, honor or Royal Name of the Imperial Crown of the United Kingdom

only one good thing about the monarchy is that it can use its powers to get everyone out of the awful mess imposed on us by parliament and the EU. but it would never do this because it is both parliament and the EU that is keeping the monarchy in a lifestyle to which its accustomed.