Is all this FREEMAN, FEE SCHEDULE etc stuff really TRUE?

[HVYMTL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igbBItLemsM

[vanilla]

The reason no one will ever be able to justify the situation is that no justification is possible. Hence the rants that dance around the subject, because at the heart of the matter, the real actual truth is that we live in a dictatorship, a polite dictatorship maybe, but still a dictatorship never the less.

The law is the science of determining good and evil.

The law isn't even close to being a science. The reason it isn't and the reason that there is no real justification is because (as legaleagle mentioned previously) what is good law and what is bad law is entirely your opinion.

They will tighten the definition so far that it's impossible for anyone to actually ever fit within it which will mean they can help themselves with impunity to anyone's property any time they need more money to pay the fictional interest payments in the fraudulent banking system, by simply showing that any given individual has violated legislative rules regardless of whether they have ever even heard of the rule or have any idea how to interpret the legalese in which it is written.

So... they'll create a system whereby they can take whatever they want from anyone, backed by the use of force, and they'll still bother to pay interest on loans? Perhaps you could elaborate on that, because it doesn't make any sense to me.

Ayn Rand told us decades ago where we are going wrong, but did anyone really listen?

Some did and some didn't, because they're just as entitled to an opinion as she is.

That last video is quality - "I'm not going to insult you by giving you the facts". It might be my imagination but I sense a pattern. True News - it must be true because it says so on the box.

[HVYMTL]

The law isn't even close to being a science. The reason it isn't and the reason that there is no real justification is because (as legaleagle mentioned previously) what is good law and what is bad law is entirely your opinion.

The phrase "The law is the science of determining good and evil" is an old saying / maxim of law regarding the nature of judgement and the determining of innocence and guilt.

So... they'll create a system whereby they can take whatever they want from anyone, backed by the use of force, and they'll still bother to pay interest on loans? Perhaps you could elaborate on that, because it doesn't make any sense to me.

"They" being the government, with power over the people within their territory / grasp / cross-hairs, and payments on loans being made to the international banking elite to whom they will remain indebted even after having established absolute dictatorial power over us mere peasants.

Ayn Rand told us decades ago where we are going wrong, but did anyone really listen?

Some did and some didn't, because they're just as entitled to an opinion as she is.

Sure, but the sad fact is she was right all along and it's not even a matter of opinions any more, there is either accepting facts and reality or living in delusional la-la land.

That last video is quality - "I'm not going to insult you by giving you the facts". It might be my imagination but I sense a pattern. True News - it must be true because it says so on the box.

Stephan Moleneux the man seen in that video has created hundreds and hundreds of fact filled videos and is owner of freedomainradio.com the worlds largest on line philosophy debate site. His credentials certainly give him the latitude to present a rant like that one without being dismissed as a raving lunatic. I suggest you check out some of his other materials and debates, he is a truly heavy-weight philosophic debator. You might also want to check out his book on Universally Preferable Behaviour : A Rational Proof of Secular Ethics.

Or not, it's up to you if you can or can't handle the truth.

[legaleagle]

HVYMTL from what you have posted I am assuming that your basic philosophy is that it is wrong for rules (laws) to be imposed on someone who does not like those rules under any situation as this would be a dictatorship. Is this a correct summary, or do you agree like some on this site that it is ok to impose the rules(laws) that you agree with?

Also the point about taxes that is raised by your youtube clip and by many people on these forums I will cover in a new thread "Are taxes evil" in general forum.

If you could clarify your basic belief about the imposing of rules, I would be most grateful.

[frogmanbrabs]

Here's a question about taxes. Where does it state that by LAW we have to pay a portion of our income to the exchequer? I can't seem to find the law that states this.

[HVYMTL]

I have no problem with there being law, police, courts and prisons.

I have no problem with there being a parliament which controls important aspects of society and sets rules for it's employees and agents to be compelled to follow whilst they are on duty, by virtue of the fact that they have consented to a contract and are being recompensed for their time.

I have no problem with corporations, shareholders, boards of directors and rules of conduct for employees to observe whilst they are at work, under their employment contract and being recompensed for their time.

I object to any form of corporation or government reaching into and dictating the actions and lives of private citizens who are not under any sort of contract compelling their behaviour.

I.E, in my view, anyone is capable of committing crimes and if they do they should face punishment / prison, but ONLY people who are employed / contracted to behave in a certain way should be capable of committing offences.


I'd be interested in exploring different types of offences that are currently applied to everyone to see if such a philosophy would work in the real world or not.

For instance the brand new garden rubbish offence which was just introduced which now claims to be able to tell everyone what they may or may not do with their own private property. I see this is yet another encroach into our lives, part of a pattern where parliament is slowly fighting a war of attrition on the concept of privacy and private property.

Now the usual suspects have already stepped up to defend their glorious masters by talking about how piles of garden rubbish can be home to disease and vermin and such, which goes to show that in their view safety is more important than people's rights. If everyone shared that view then we would have no rights because no one would ever of stood up to defend them because getting into battles and getting a sword in the face is definitely not SAFE.

"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." ~ Benjamin Franklin

There was a time when Government was small, and the vast majority of people got along in their lives by talking to each other and agreeing with each other on what should be done. These days they don't do that any more they stab each other in the back using the law and the overarching power of the state. Why bother trying to talk to your neighbours about the trash problem, and how to solve it, when you can just go and report them to the filth for it?

If you can't see the problem that arises when government encroaches further and further into telling the public what it can and can't do by means of creating legislative offences with fines, then your lost.

[frogmanbrabs]

http://rt.com/usa/news/texas-microchips ... trict-262/

Have you seen this HVYMTL? How long before it happens here and with the whole public?

[vanilla]

The phrase "The law is the science of determining good and evil" is an old saying / maxim of law regarding the nature of judgement and the determining of innocence and guilt.

What's your point? Old doesn't mean right.

"They" being the government, with power over the people within their territory / grasp / cross-hairs, and payments on loans being made to the international banking elite to whom they will remain indebted even after having established absolute dictatorial power over us mere peasants.

Yeah I get what you're saying, but what I don't get is why the guys who control the guns wouldn't tell the "international banking elite" to go fuck themselves.

Sure, but the sad fact is she was right all along and it's not even a matter of opinions any more, there is either accepting facts and reality or living in delusional la-la land.

That it is not a matter of opinion any more is your opinion.

Stephan Moleneux the man seen in that video has created hundreds and hundreds of fact filled videos and is owner of freedomainradio.com the worlds largest on line philosophy debate site. His credentials certainly give him the latitude to present a rant like that one without being dismissed as a raving lunatic. I suggest you check out some of his other materials and debates, he is a truly heavy-weight philosophic debator. You might also want to check out his book on Universally Preferable Behaviour : A Rational Proof of Secular Ethics.

I'm not optimistic, I just spent 5 minutes reading some of his forum posts and already I disagree with him on a few things.

Or not, it's up to you if you can or can't handle the truth.

You're not really grasping the fact that I don't believe in moral absolutes, are you?

[HVYMTL]

That it is not a matter of opinion any more is your opinion.

I'm sure there is a missing word in the quote above.

Nope, I'm wrong, it was a missing comma.

Just thought I'd point that out, y'know in case you wanted like a free English lesson or something.

[ngaruawahia]

Hi Fella's,
Kia ora from NZ, just joined up and thoroughly enjoyed comments on this thread. I must say we down under incl Aust are experiencing identical problems as those mentioned on this forum.
We have the (Policy Enforcers) not (Peace Officers) gathering revenue for the Govt to pay the interest on their borrowing etc. The Govt are so desperate for revenue, they introduce these Statutes (not laws) to relieve the people of their hard earned income because of some trivial misdemeanour ie,( broken tail light). what's the world coming to? I feel sorry for the next generation.
Just like other Freeman sites around the globe,I think Tpuc has it's share of skeptics and Govt sympathisers.
However we can learn things from them, so its not all bad.
Very good posts from HVT & Froman ( sorry if I got these wrong) your comments will be very useful to my research to issues I've experienced in Court in the past and to other issues of a Civic matter
I look fwd hopefully to reading more of your views in this arena
Peace Nga.