The British Constitutional Conference Jan 24th 2009 Stoke

[slimline66]

Please explain how we can be freemen 'before God'? Define God please?

to define God? that would be how war and genocide is justified. you know, them humans that pray to the wrong god, they don't count. or so i heard.

Agreed.

Why not just realise once and for all that we are "god" ... there is no external "god" that will come and save everyone or damn non believers ... only we can choose our path and if its wrong then we can change our minds and tread another ... who creates life? ... and takes it away for that matter.

Anyway, all this is off topic ... back to my question.

Could you see how an audience would be confused with, on the one hand the point of view that they have certain rights that can never be taken away and, the other point of view that those rights were never intended for them in the first place? How will you overcome this?

[friendstacy]

from the original post
"to restore our independence and the right to govern ourselves"

my question is:
how can independence and the right to govern ourselves be restored, when it was never ours?
no constitution can give us freedom. government and its laws serve to define our "rights" (that is, tell us the ways in which we are not free).


slimline's question to john:

"If the purpose this conference is to educate the public surely there has to be a common agreement (as far as possible) as to the facts, or at least to what is being taught?"


why must everyone agree? why must all perspectives be the same? that is how we got into this mess we are in, through attempt to homogenize society, eradicate any dissent. reminds me of something i hear often, goes something like this "problem with you anarchists, is you never seem to agree, even amongst yourselves" uh... duh! that's the whole point!

think for yourself
set yourself free
nobody else is going to do it for you

[dave]

<government and its laws serve to define our "rights" (that is, tell us the ways in which we are not free).>

If one allows a secret society to form a dictatorship, government being the cited example by way of public presentation, then it seems to me you would based on current life expectancy have a permanent secret war and a very public one at least every seventy years*. By way of example isn't that what is being attempted right now?

*The war suppresses dissent, increases abilities to prevent dissent and leaves a debt ready for the next generation.
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