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Re: What I will tell the next Policeman that stops me....

Postby redcisse09 » Thu May 31, 2012 7:14 pm

Star-Child wrote:We can already see young adults on the streets in real time googling statutes when the Police are engaging them. It will not be too long before more and more young adults wise up a bit , and I dread to think what our world would be like when everyone just says

' Am I legally obligated to answer that ' . And ' I have no legal duty to assist you officer '. Which they may well have to do, as they become aware that they shouldn't assist police because they may incriminate themselves , even if 100% innocent.

Imagine 10 year olds being forced into behaviour like that .

The longer we keep the law out of normal state education from here on , the quicker we will see less respect for the law and those who work in it. We can avoid this though, through including all community members being educated in it. Which will help create better inclusive understanding.


Maybe it will need encouragement from people working in the legal system to get more proactive in pushing this forward, and I would imagine there will be a fare few legal education jobs created for those with law degree's etc.

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I was only 8 years old when my dad introduced me to Alex Jones, Loose Change- "The truth of 9/11" and have looked at the world from a different perspective from a very early age.

When I was 13 I presented a powerpoint to everyone in my class explaining how "9/11 was an inside Job" and how it was also bombed in the "underground" in the 1990's.

Around the same time I tried to educate people on the conspiracy of "Actually, Its wasn't the Titanic that sunk it was her sister, the Olympia that sank" ( A vague conspirarcy but I tried to open the world to people at large).

from year the age of 11-16 I attended art classes and my art teacher was also open minded (Thank God!) we often discussed David Icke, Alex Jones, Rik Clay, The NWO, The War in Iraq, Sumbliminal Messages, Bill Hicks and a plethora of other issues.

However at my own expense I often Ignored the "understanding of the law" mainly because I have never been in trouble with the law. No stop and searches, PCSO's or any communication with them, and as a result I never knew how the Law worked or my rights.

(Until last summer). were I have dived right in with the law, when I attended college I always told people of the corruption and the lies and how we are often victims of extortion (when it was relevant ofcourse, I don't go round like a nutcase shouting "Freeman on the land etc". And now my family and friends will often come to me in matters of both legal and lawful. (Okay I'm no Barrister or legal expert) but I offer them neutral advice such as "Never talk, to the police, don't resist arrest, just shutup and put up" It is the CPS role (or appropiate Plaintiff) to prove you guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. Don't Convict yourself in the process (give them evidence to use) as stated in police caution. or other advice such as "that search was unlawful " or "say am I obliged to do so"?, and what the appropiate action is in mostly Tort law.

But I do agree most people do not know the law, because they are not taught it. Like many others we had to teach ourselves.

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Re: What I will tell the next Policeman that stops me....

Postby legaleagle » Thu May 31, 2012 10:15 pm

redcisse09 I agree broadly with what you said and very strongly with what you said about not saying anything that can be used against you. Many court cases are lost not because of the evidence but because of what the defendant said. The old but very true story about the motorist being asked if he knows why he was stopped, saying something like "I was speeding wasn't I" then being done for speeding springs to mind.
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Just to be vey clear and transparent, this information is widely available to those who are not in the legal profession and I am not telling you anything you could not (and most likely have) found out for yourself.
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Re: What I will tell the next Policeman that stops me....

Postby redcisse09 » Thu May 31, 2012 10:21 pm

legaleagle wrote:redcisse09 I agree broadly with what you said and very strongly with what you said about not saying anything that can be used against you. Many court cases are lost not because of the evidence but because of what the defendant said. The old but very true story about the motorist being asked if he knows why he was stopped, saying something like "I was speeding wasn't I" then being done for speeding springs to mind.
Good post


Ye the good old "do you know why I stopped you" routine.

Also, if you get time you should have a look at this; Its Presented by a Lawyer and police officer (American Mind you), but it illutrate how we are entrapped into "giving" the police evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

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Re: What I will tell the next Policeman that stops me....

Postby legaleagle » Thu May 31, 2012 10:37 pm

I will watch the clips with interest. I have watched the first 5 minutes of the first one and already can relate to what he is saying. The scenario of talking to the police and turning what was your word against the other party, into your word against the other party and the police officer is alas all to common. Most of my job is to extract such information on the stand one way or the other (depending if I'm prosecuting or defending.) very good links
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