Billybunch wrote:1.618 wrote:hasn't disapeared at all, it's still on page 20 of this thread where i posted it, probably your browser never loaded the page quickly.
there are no dangers o a vegan diet if you make sure you get all the nutrients you need, man does not need meat to survive, nor does he have to eat meat exclusively to get b12, as i've already stated most people are b12 deficient before they go vegan, your just too indoctrinated to realise you're spewing propoganda and utter rubbish
Your post that I had replied on "HAD" disappeared. SO STOP BEING AN ARSE. I know for certain that a vegan diet is life threatening and that supplementing with B12 made no difference whatsoever, I still ended up deficient of it. Reading and gleaning from the net about the vegan B12 supplementation is all well and fine, but actually experiencing this, having gone through it personally, the damage that these deficiencies can do to your body makes a big difference in what you believe to be true. 1.618, you haven't experienced it "YET" have you? I HAVE.
its definitely there on page 20, there's no way i could have deleted it, like i said , your browser probably didn't load the whole page, it happens occasionally either that or you simply missed it
Vitamin B12 is needed for cell division and blood formation. Neither plants nor animals make vitamin B12. Bacteria are responsible for producing vitamin B12. Animals get their vitamin B12 from eating foods contaminated with vitamin B12 and then the animal becomes a source of vitamin B12
The vitamin B12 that people get when they eat meat does not come from the animal. It was added to the food those animals eat when they were raised. Nowadays practically all animals receive B12 as a supplement. It is made in the same way, and probably in the same factories, as the B12 in vegan supplements: by bacterial fermentation. Cows aren't given B12, but cobalt salts instead, to allow B12 to be made by fermentation in their stomachs; in other words, the cows are themselves used as biochemical reactors. The bottom line is that everyone takes B12 supplements: either directly (vegetarians) or through an animal (meat-eaters). The animals serve only as a different kind of packing, used to disguise the supplementation.
Like i said already the body makes b12, from bacteria.
oh and look what i found,
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bet you never had this book in your world expert on veganism collection did ya?
my guess is your all hot air mate, you just didn't research properly before becoming a vegan , which is obvious because you actually believe the b12 myth. your just peddling mainstream propoganda and scare stories. you screwed up by not researching and now you just wanna take it out on others to make yourself feel better.
the vegan/vegetarian movement are all part of the game plan and most of them don't even know it.
Anyway, there is enough information out there informing everyone that a vegan diet in time causes B12 deficiency....so you need to stop this preaching of yours on matters which you haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Peoples lives are at risk here and they don't need all of this false B12 information that you keep spouting out. You're the embarrassment mate, there's no doubts about that. 
