Vaccines - The True Weapons of Mass Destruction

[roxanne]

Number 1 cause for death in the USA??? WRONGLY PRESCRIBED PRESCRIPTION MEDICINES!!! Above CANCER and HEART DISEASE! Western Medicine(allopathic)causes illness and death, and vaccines, well, they are full of human parts,chicken cells,mercury etc etc etc! I would recommend people watch Gary Null's (Dr) videos on Google Video to see what vaccines are really about, and this lady:-

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1907355

Vaccines safe???!!! No damn way!!!

[berenice]

Eleanor Mcbean wrote two very good books on vaccinations titled, The poisened needle and The swine flu exposed. These books can be found online in pdf format.


Another good read,science of vaccine damage by Catherine O'driscoll.

[wat tyler]

Jobo,

With respect, you began this thread saying Vaccinations had got rid of some major diseases. Which many people, perhaps most people believe. The mass media has been telling us this since before we were born. That is simply not true. And people are at last waking up to the facts. You can't provide us with supporting evidence of what you say. All you say is western people have a longer life expectancy than those of other parts of the world. A fact which nobody disputes. Western people do not live in shanty towns, they have access to basic facilities that are out of the reach of many nations, and they have food and other choices which others simply do not have. And what was the most common cause of death in the 18th and 19th century in western civilization ? It was illnesses that relate directly to poor sanitation and living conditions. Diseases of the lungs etc.

Medicine has done a great deal. But vaccination programmes are not one of its successes and it's misinformation and commercial drug companies tha makes us believe otherwise with vaccines.

As for Polio, as already said, the effectiveness of Polio vaccines has been so poor they, the medical profession, had to change the name of the illness, now calling it Meningitis or other names. Polio vaccines have a long and well documented history of deception and criminality. And there are numerous studies from the USA and elsewhere to prove this beyond all reasonable doubt.

Can you show us an image of the Swine Flu virus ? I mean, after all this fuss, surely they must have isolated it by now ? Or else how could they make a vaccine for it ?

Jobo, this 'Swine Flu' stuff is mass deception, plain and simple.

Yes, people ARE dying. But do you notice that the vast majority of them die of complications associated with severe illnesses they are ALREADY suffering from at the point when they take the vaccination !!! How's that for evidence of the vaccine destroying their immune system ?

Sorry, but I will not be in the queue for this vaccination programme and nor will millions of others.

[jobo]

hi wat im a bit bemused by that last post ?

you made a blanket statement that vaccination had, had no effect what so ever on the instances of contagious diseases

i put forward small pox as a good example of where it had a substantial effect, are you accepting what i said about small pox or not ?

if not what issues do you have with it ?

if so then we can move on to polio

[wat tyler]

Jobo,

It seems you are already struggling to tell us any of the 'many' serious ailments that have been defeated by mass vaccinations. And since Polio is not working you now want to suggest Smallpox.

Is this correct ?

[wat tyler]

Jobo,

And here is -


ONE OF VARIOUS EXAMPLES OF AN ILLNESS THAT WAS ONCE COMMON AND WHICH WAS DANGEROUS TO HEALTH BUT IS NO LONGER PREVALENT - NOT DUE TO VACCINATION PROGRAMMES

So-called ‘Scrurvy’. This is a condition characterized by general weakness, anemia, gumdisease (gingivitis), and skin hemorrhages resulting from a lack of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) in the diet. Scurvy is rare today and is generally only seen in in older, malnourished adults.

'Scurvy' was a serious problem in the past, when fresh fruits and vegetables were not available during the winter months in many parts of the world. It was specially common among sailors in the days when only non-perishable foods could be stocked aboard ship. More than half the crew of Vasco da Gama died from scurvy on his first trip (1497-99) around the Cape of Good Hope. In 1747 Scottish naval surgeon James Lind treated scurvy-ridden sailors with lemons and oranges and obtained dramatic cures. In 1795 the British navy began to distribute regular rations of lime juice during long sea voyages (hence the name ‘limeys’ for British sailors), a measure that was largely successful in preventing it. Scurvy was probably the first disease to be definitely associated with a dietary deficiency.

Cause - Vitamin C deficiency.

Does anyone suggest there should be a vaccination programme against this common illness of Scurvy which was very widespread in the 17th and 18th centuries ? No, of course not. Eat more fresh fruit and vegetables is the answer. Right ?

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[jobo]

hi wat
i know your not a stupid man, so i can only conclude your being deliberately obtuse which wont take us forward at any speed

you asked for diseases which had been diminished by vaccination

i suggested diphtheria, polio tb and SMALL POX

you asked for evidence

i provided this missive with the info taken from an public heath and hygiene text book i had lying around from a disitation about 20 years ago


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wat i wish you id the source when lifting great chunks of text like that

there far to much there for one debate, ande im personally of the view that doctors are best avoided if possible

but that aside, the bit relevant to this debate i would sugest is the accersion that contagious diseases would have decreased to next to nothing with out vaccination

is that your take on it ? except of course polio which it is alleged went through deed poll

which then begs the question of why, if the changes in living condition diet etc was the reason for the mass decline of diseases, polio was the exception ?

but we can do that later,

lets examine your( their) claim of the inevitable reduction of these disease by considering a case study of small pox

this disease was present in humans from around 10,000 BC so give or take 12 000 years of ravening the world, rich and poor a like

so your theory need you to accept that it went in to decline at exactly the same time as a vaccination took place, a bit of a co incidence you must admit ?
and though you could point to improving living condition in the country, the decline started immediately after inocs started in 1853, long before slum clearance and tescos health range started

there after its been eradicated world wide,even where living condition and diet were appalling, again immediately after a vaccination program commenced in each country the disease ceased to exist in that countrye

death toll WW in 1950, 50 million, death toll in 2008 O, thats zero-

so questioned to answer why would it disappear world wide after 12000 years just at the point were compulsory inocs started, if the inocs were not the cause

the death toll from the vaccination is 1 person in a million, the mortality rate from the diseases was 80% in infected children

hash if its your kid that gets the allergic reaction, but now nobody get SP and no body get inoced, so it seems to have worked

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now do you accept what ive said about small pox or not ?


if you accept it i will then do the other three for you starting with polio

if not, tell me what elements you dont accept and il provided more info

Joe

[who_me]

This is well worth watching!

For most people, vaccinating themselves and their children seems like a good idea. Vaccines are safe, effective and are supposed to protect us against dangerous infectious diseases - Right? Wrong! What you don’t know can harm you or kill you! In this groundbreaking film, you will: * See the truth about the dangers of vaccines and their direct relationship to autoimmune diseases, infections, allergies and a massive increase of developmental learning and behavioral disorders in children, such as Autism. * Discover the truth about the history of vaccines and how they have NEVER been proven to be safe and effective for anyone. * Witness the legacy of governmental deception and cover-ups associated with vaccines. * Learn about the corruption within the scientific community and how vaccine studies are seriously flawed. * You’ll also follow heart-wrenching, real life stories of the parents and children devastated by the effects of vaccines. Join director Gary Null PhD and over 40 of the worlds foremost vaccine experts in this shocking expose’ that will shatter the truth as you know it.

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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... null&hl=en.

[wat tyler]

Thank you Jobo,

Let's go back to the start (again). You wrote -

'Vaccinations have eliminated a considerable number of very nasty ailments and greatly reduced the mortality rate in the western world and in the 3rd world'.

In fact that statement of yours was the first you made on this subject.

So my questions to your remain -

1. Which 'nasty ailments' have vaccinations eliminated ?

2. What is the link (if any) between the mortality rate in the western world and mass vaccinations ?

So far we have just gone round and round in circles.

Polio has already been dealt with. Isn't it time you gave us some facts ?

The facts are that viral infections are NOT cured or prevented by vaccinations. But if you know differently please tell us.

A viral epidemic may disappear naturally. Many have. Real epidemics. The process by which this occurs has nothing to do with vaccinations. It remains, still, today, little researched. But there are thousands of examples from flu epidemics etc etc etc. Nature does this. Not the pharmaceutical industry and certainly not the men in white coats.

The basic problem is that most medical people these days do not even understand what a virus is.

Thanks

[jobo]

i see your not prepared to comment on my small pox missive, which only leaves the conclusion that you have no answer to it and arnt man enough to admit to admit the flaw in your argument, which surprises me as i had you down as a man of integrate who was in search of truth

we haven't done polio, you made a wild claim which i intend to refute, but i suppose youl play the same card and refuse to comment ?

so again for cerebral challenged and the deliberate obtuse

diseases eliminated in Western Europe and US through vaccination polio, diphtheria TB small pox

diseases much reduced world wide through vaccination polio, diphtheria TB

diseases eliminated world wide through vaccination small pox ( and soon polio )

re mortality rates all the people who didnt die of above diseases lived longer and therefore increased the average life span

are you really refuting that the child mortality rate in this country has dropped and the average life span has increased since 1853 ? now if you have data to the contrary the put it forward

dont you think it a remarkable co incidence that these disease expired naturally, just at the point where they started vaccinating against them ?

ps scurvy isnt a virus and there fore would not be suitable for vaccination,seems it isnt only the doctors who dont understand what viruses are